NOW ONLINE: Whitehall Council Posts Open Fires Ordinance

The proposed new law will be on public display for two weeks. And other notes from Wednesday night's borough council meeting.

Open Fires Ordinance Drafted

A new ordinance regulating open burning in Whitehall Borough has been drafted and made available for public review at the borough municipal building along Borough Park Drive. (UPDATE: The proposed ordinance is also available online.)

The proposed ordinance resembles one currently in use in Hampton Township with, as Whitehall Borough Manager James E. Leventry said, "a few tweaks."

For example, Hampton officials do not allow for grills, outdoor barbecues or fireplaces used strictly for cooking to be less than 10 feet from a house, structure, inhabited area, roadway, utility or property line, but Whitehall's ordinance, if passed by the Whitehall Council, would set that minimum at just 5 feet.

In all other cases of open burning in Hampton, the fire shall be located a minimum of 15 feet from the nearest house, structure, inhabited area, roadway, property line, utility, tree or other combustible materials, but Whitehall's ordinance would lessen that restriction to 10 feet.

Perhaps most importantly to borough residents, Whitehall's ordinance would "(never) prohibit the use of a patio chiminea, patio heater, or other manufactured above ground patio fire pit, patio fire table, or similar containment device on a deck or patio where the device is designed and recommended for such use by the manufacturer."

However, Whitehall's ordinance, like Hampton's, would allow only an adult property owner (18 years of age or older) to start a "small open fire" on his or her property and only for the following purposes:

  1. "Warmth of outdoor workers (only at temperatures below 40-degrees Fahrenheit); and
  2. Non-commercial preparation of food for human consumption, light, ornament, or recreation."

Also of note, Whitehall's ordinance would prohibit any open fires between the hours of 1 and 7 a.m. And, "in all cases, the open fire shall be of such size that the combustible material and flame are contained completely within the perimeter of the authorized containment receptacle, and in no case may the combustible material and flame be greater than 16 square feet in area or in excess of 3 feet in height above the receptacle."

Open burning may be conducted "using only charcoal, natural gas or other clean burning fuel or dry, clean logs, twigs or other wood products. Only smokeless fuels, or small kindling, if any, may be used to start a fire."

The Whitehall Council may vote on whether or not to pass this ordinance at a future council meeting.

Read more on this topic here.

Possible New Development at Whitehall Country Club Site

A motion by Councilman Philip Lahr at Wednesday night's council meeting to have Whitehall's planning commission investigate what should be the most suitable zoning distinction for the former Whitehall Country Club site along Provost Road was carried, 6-1. Councilwoman Kathleen N. DePuy cast the lone "no" vote.

Lahr said that two possible developers have approached borough officials recently with plans to turn that site into something different.

Lahr said that one proposal is for an apartments building for autistic children, and the other is for government-controlled "lower-income" housing.

"Any time you attack a zoning situation, it's a big deal," Council President Glenn Nagy said before voting "yes." "It's about as big a deal as a municipality can get involved in. You have to be very, very careful what you change the zoning to that can allow types of uses that may not be in the best interests of the borough."

Councilman Harold Berkoben clarified, "This is just an investigation." 

Shade Tree Vacancy Filled

The borough council unanimously selected resident Bob Scharding on Wednesday to be a Whitehall representative on the Brentwood-Baldwin-Whitehall Multi-municipal Shade Tree Commission.

Nagy said that three residents applied to be on the commission and commended all of them for volunteering their time and efforts to do so.

Whitehall Council Revises Local Firearms Law

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Airin D-Poisson March 01, 2013 at 06:56 PM
cc-I'd be very interested in reading the article you mentioned regarding the Medical Waste Plant down in W VA--if you wouldn't mind sharing where you read it.
NE12Ukid March 01, 2013 at 10:10 PM
I wouldn't worry about it, Airin. This is just cc's MO, she TRIES to discredit anything anyone else says, and then when she's finally out of false accusations about the words, she accuses you of being someone else. She's falsely accused me of being at least a dozen different names, as she cannot accept that it's just a dozen different people who happen to disagree with her on one subject or another. You had one quote in your post, it was correctly quoted and attributed (EPA) and more than likely that same quote has appeared in other articles. Don't let cc represent our BaldwinWhitehall Patch, Airin, good to see your opinions shared here with a few other nice posters.
Airin D-Poisson March 01, 2013 at 11:39 PM
Thank you NE12Ukid--I really appreciate you taking the time to comment and respond in such a friendly and kind manner! --And by the way I DO appreciate your humor--it's witty and light hearted--but more importantly it's not malicious. Enough said!--I wouldn't want anyone thinking I'm talking to myself or would that be you--no, that would be nofire pitts! JUST KIDDING! Sorry, I couldn't resist!--Cheers!
Margaret French March 01, 2013 at 11:48 PM
Airin... I am very well aware of the various spellings of Erin. I have a friend that spells it Airyn. You have to admit it sounds like "airing the poison." In other words, polluting the air from fire pits. Also, as for the frizzy hair, my own granddaughter has curly frizzy hair and it is natural. It is different when you puropsely get a perm and make it look like an afro. Also, you said your neighbor has COPD... was it from smoking cigarettes? Then that is his/her own fault. I am not saying I am perfect, I smoke. But it is my fault if I have get COPD or emphysema or cancer from it. Your neighbor might not of had it bother him/her if he/she never smoked.
Airin D-Poisson March 02, 2013 at 03:40 AM
Margaret--Your one word comment of--"stupid"--directed at my screen name was rude and offensive--plain and simple. Whether you are familiar or not with the various spellings/variations of my name--or you perceive my screen name to have a dual meaning or not--does not change that. I also get that you dislike your neighbor-- however to make such superficially critical remarks regarding her appearance reflects more poorly on you than it does on her. Whether you are aware of that--or even care--I don't know. --But darned if you didn't just go and do it again with your afro remark!!--"It is different when you purposely get a perm and make it look like an afro." Meaning what? Frizzy, curly hair is ok--as long as it doesn't look like an afro! Maybe she likes afros--who cares--REALLY!! Anyway--next topic--I agree with you regarding someone smoking for years and being accountable in terms of how this can then impact their health. That being said I will cut some slack to older generations not having the full disclosure and benefit of what we now know in terms of the addictive, harmful and deadly health effects of smoking. This however has nothing to do with the fact that we all have the legal right to breathe reasonably pure air on our property and in our homes--whether you are old, young, sick or healthy. Your choice to burn wood that emits toxic smoke and particulate matter does not trump that right--ever!
NE12Ukid March 02, 2013 at 05:08 AM
Thank you, Airin. I have found that with certain posters, humor is the best response, even if they have no sense of humor. The other alternative is to ignore them, but when cc directly lies about ME, I will rebut.
cc March 02, 2013 at 12:21 PM
ne12ukid = loser who makes names up so that it can pat itself on back. the self appointed sheriff of the patch. loser
cc March 02, 2013 at 12:28 PM
Airin, when you drive your car you are polluting the air for others, when you use your furnace, dryer you are doing the same thing. When you toss your trash out it is going to dumps that cause pollution. When you use electric in your house your a contributing factor to electric plants polluting our air. When you use sprays your polluting our air, when you use chemicals in your yard your polluting our air. I assume you don't drive a car, use gas to heat your home, cook, don't have electric in your house. Don't depend on public transportation because that pollutes our air.
Jon Wain March 02, 2013 at 08:13 PM
whitehall has always boasted about being leaders in community advancements and setting standards. The issue of burning wood outside your home is the cry of sissies.All over this country sissies are complaining about everything.Government takes these issues and turns them into political dramas.My neighbors burn in there livingroom fireplaces and I get that smell in my home. So should I shed tears in front of council and limit indoor family time too? Oh the birdy pooped on my car waa waa no more birdies please I can't breath oh god somebody stop my heart ache.Thank god the world wars one and two are behind us .We don't have the same quality of togetherness as those americans did.
cc March 03, 2013 at 04:46 AM
Seems every neighborhood all over the United States has neighbors who love to make others miserable. The one that complains about every one in he neighborhood who has fire pits is also the one that comes begging for food from our gardens. They can't plant a garden in their own back yard as it looks tacky to them when it is dying at the end of the season, but yet will come into your yard and try to take what you grow. When we first put the pool in our back yard for the kids, she was the first one over by the gate every day waiting to go swimming. She made the remarks like now she doesn't have to buy pool passes for her and her family. Now that her family is gone and don't come to visit her any more she just loves to make everyone on our street miserable.
NE12Ukid March 03, 2013 at 02:30 PM
LMLAO! Hahahahahahaha!!!!!
NE12Ukid March 03, 2013 at 02:35 PM
...and so you make fun of her and write about here on PaTch instead of being neighborly and offering the poor woman some kindness. You admit her family is gone and so she is probably very lonely. For such a "perfect" person as you have many times gone to great detail to describe yourself, you'd think you could offer a kind word to this poor soul, or at the very least, STOP slamming her on Patch. We've heard all these stories time and again.
Margaret French March 04, 2013 at 12:34 PM
NE12Ukid-Just because a person doesn't have any family left isn't any excuse for them to cause trouble in a neighborhood. This crackpot next to me doesn't have her parents anymore, nor her in laws, and never had any children. Her sister moved out of state (geez, I wonder why!) She does the same thing cc's neighbor does. I was nice to her years ago but when she started imagining things and calling the police on me I quit being nice. How long would you be nice if someone did that to you?
NE12Ukid March 04, 2013 at 07:41 PM
Actually I too have a neighbor who does strange things, I figure she has some mental problems. So I am extra nice to her when I see her. Being nasty to her or writing details about what she does on the Patch isn't going to help her or change her. Maybe a smile and a few kind words will at least give her a bit of happiness. But you two just go ahead and keep doing it your way, let us know if it helps you in some way.
Margaret French March 05, 2013 at 12:25 AM
It isn't going to hurt in anyway since we never talk and I don't intend to talk to her anymore. You are preaching we should be nice ... then why aren't you nicer to cc? Practice what you preach.
NE12Ukid March 05, 2013 at 05:00 AM
All things considered I am extremely nice to cc here compared to the lies she posts. Are you saying that cc has mental illness and is all alone and needs a kind word like my neighbor? I WILL practice just what I told you I do here in my neighborhood, and you of course go ahead and do it your way. It's not a contest, like I said, let us know if it helps you in some way.
Margaret French March 05, 2013 at 05:27 AM
No, I am NOT saying that about cc. What I am saying is that you say to be nice to people and then you say the things you do to cc. I read these posts and many times you are the instigator.
NE12Ukid March 05, 2013 at 06:09 AM
then you've missed a lot of posts, Margaret. That's OK, you have a real nice day.
cc March 05, 2013 at 06:30 AM
Her family don't come to see her any more as she has alienated herself from her family. My children still talk to them as they grew up together. How do you want me to be neighborly to her when she calls the cops on you and all the other neighbors. She didn't want kids riding their bikes, playing out in the street in front of her yard as a ball might roll on her property and kids might run on her grass. Even her ex husband thinks she is a wack job. ne12ukid, more of what your neighbors probably think of you.
cc March 05, 2013 at 06:33 AM
ne12ukid your the one with mental problems not I. I have friends, family and a business that I run. Something you will never accomplish in the small world you live in.
cc March 05, 2013 at 06:36 AM
Margaret - ne12ukid has chased many people away from the Patch with her being the self appointed sheriff on here. Her telling others how they are suppose to think and how wrong they are. ne12ukid isn't nice to anyone as you can see by its writing.
NE12Ukid March 05, 2013 at 01:27 PM
Wrong on two counts: I also have family, friends, and have owned two businesses as well as doing consulting. Plus, do not make false accusations, cc. I did NOT say you have mental problems, it was Margaret who wanted me to treat you the way I treat my neighbor who does have such problems. Don't start reposting your delusions or confusions again, cc. Stick to repeating the stories about the old man with Parkinson's and the neighbor lady you bash who wants some tomatoes from your garden. Those are probably your best efforts, since the drug deals on Brownsvile story was totally debunked by several here. Now you have a REAL nice day, I have an early appointment, and then my DD is taking me out to lunch, can't give you any more of my valuable time just now.
NE12Ukid March 05, 2013 at 01:28 PM
You have a REAL nice day, too, cc.
nofire pitts March 06, 2013 at 12:23 AM
I have limited time to post right now, but these links are for the benefit of cc and Margaret Stench or anybody else who might still have doubts about the presence/damage of wood smoke in the LOCAL atmosphere. This expert scientist, C. Arden Pope, III, will be presenting a lecture at CMU on Thursday, as it happens. http://www.cmu.edu/uls/2012-2013/march/pope.html Thursday, March 7, 2013 Particulate Air Pollution and Human Health: Science, Controversy, and Public Policy The Distinguished Lecture Series in Environmental Science, Technology, and Policy: Environment and Health Thursday, March 7, 2013 | 4:30 pm, Porter Hall #100 (Gregg Hall) C. Arden Pope, III, Mary Lou Fulton Professor of Economics, Brigham Young University Research over the last 25 years has suggested that exposure to particulate air pollution contributes substantially to respiratory and cardiovascular disease. This presentation will provide an overview of the science regarding the health of effects of particulate air pollution and will discuss related controversies pertaining to public policy efforts to control air pollution. ------------------------- See the SURPRISING pie chart from the Pittsburgh area of WOOD smoke and its particulates contribution to our LOCAL atmosphere at this link: http://burningissues.org/car-www/science/Pittsburghwoodsmoke.html
nofire pitts March 06, 2013 at 12:31 AM
At risk of redundancy, in case you missed the point about local WOOD SMOKE at CMU location: http://burningissues.org/car-www/science/Pittsburghwoodsmoke.html "Atmospheric Aerosol Source-Receptor Relationships: The Role of Coal-Fired Power Plants Allen Robinson, Spyros Pandis, Cliff Davidson Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA This is a report by Department of Energy (DOE), published in 2000. It looked at sources of fine particulate (see pie chart below) to determine the total contribution of a coal-fired power plant (see Red pie section) at a monitoring station on the Carnegie Mellon Campus. See the yellow star on the campus picture for location of the site. The red piece of the pie looks similar in size to the pink pie section for truck emissions. Wood burning (aqua section) creates more fine particulate than the coal power plant and trucks combined. The report shows that wood smoke, as a source of fine particulate, is equal to any of the other sources in the area. Note that it is a campus area where one would not expect a local source of wood smoke." ------------------ Now pay attention, cc, Margaret Stench, the rest of you fifth graders: "Note that it is a campus area where one would not expect a local source of wood smoke." ---------------- Just think of what the measurements would be next door to your filthy fire pits. Oh yeah, have a real_nice_day, too!
jwill March 06, 2013 at 03:30 AM
Good thing you don't live near a campground. Multiple fires burning every night in summer.
Margaret French March 06, 2013 at 05:16 AM
nofire pitts... I have limited time to post right now so I will just say I don't have time to read those links you provide either. I will still be firing up my fire pit when the weather is nicer. Sorry, go out and get a gas mask.
Margaret French March 06, 2013 at 12:08 PM
Hey cc- this is the only way I know how to contact you. You have to come down here. I have to tell you what happened with my crazy neighbor and the police.
nofire pitts March 09, 2013 at 06:45 AM
cc, they may have done that local study at CMU http://burningissues.org/car-www/science/Pittsburghwoodsmoke.html just to argue against you: "Wood burning (aqua section) creates more fine particulate than the coal power plant and trucks combined. The report shows that wood smoke, as a source of fine particulate, is equal to any of the other sources in the area. Note that it is a campus area where one would not expect a local source of wood smoke." ------ As for me moving out to the country, as you mock me, do you think I didn't consider that? The problem there is much worse nowadays, with outdoor wood boilers and more neighbors using wood as a primary heat source in winter. Without local government's help there is no refuge. Here is a rare article where the lung-diseased woman's neighbors actually gave a damn. Please note: "the particles in the wood smoke are so small that they get into the deep parts of the lung," Stroebel said. "And then [those particles] can actually get into the blood stream and then enter systemic circulation." : http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/11/12/wood_burning_stove_dangers
nofire pitts March 11, 2013 at 10:08 PM
Just came across this woman's testimony from Milford, CT a few years ago. Please consider her family's health ramifications from neighbors' outdoor fireplace. http://burningissues.org/car-www/pdfs/2009HBLaura%20Russo,%20Milford-TMY.pdf --------------- Ms. Russo says, "... I can tell you, an outdoor fireplace goes for anywhere from 50-150 dollars. My co-pay for the ambulance ride was a lot more for each trip. ..."


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