Getting rid of obama and obamacare

obama never held a real job. his community advisor or whatever it was clearly did not work as the area is still a drug ridden slum. he wasted tax money on such things as the solar company and now there is the battery place thats going under. his first two years had a dem house and senate and still got nothing done. the healthcare bill is a joke and needs reworked as it was rushed and no one even read it before voting on it. chrysler and gm got a bail out and still making junk. i have two chrysler cars and will never ever buy another one. with the first fours years gone now he wants to work on infrastruture? now because it is ok to be gay obama is now all for gay marriage? flip flop.

Jim Mang has left an extremely relevant point concerning Obama or shall we call him Barry Sortero. I have read quite a bit about Obama. Please read the book of Ed Klein "The Amatuer", you may be surprised at some of the revelations. In the book, the Rev. Wright has stated on a recording as he was being interviewed, that Baraq and his wife are phoneys. He will have a book coming out after the election, a tell all. He has stated that Baraq and his wife were never really religious. They just wanted to drum up some political connections. Even Hillary Clinton was advised to run against him during this particular election cycle as Baraq IS A failure at his job. I have read the book "Fool me Twice" by Aaron Klein. This book is all about Obama and his plans for OUR future. Be very afraid as the change in this Country should not shock those on the left but if you are not ready for extremist measures, be prepared. Also, see the movie "2016". I have found it very revealing about Obama's mindset since we know very little about him. There are many things that make him a socialist out to ruin this Country. Just look at all of the scandal concerning Libya and the lies that he has told. Look at "Fast and Furious". Even the Hispanic network Telemundo had questions that Obama will NEVER answer. Look at all of the scandals for money appropriated for green energy and Solyndra and all of the other green energy companies that have gone belly up. Read the truth!!!

jim mang have to agree with you and there is more that he has not done to help the PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. All obama does is waste tax payers money with nothing to show. On the news tonight says Romney is winning now the Election, which I hope stays that way. On one of the news stations said the Vice President Debate will be the factor in who gets elected President. All Ryan is going to have to do is sit back and watch biden put his foot in his mouth with all his rambling.

Are you referring to Romey's time at Bain Capital. Of course you are. A company that used investors' money to buy troubled companies in order to save them. And in the process laid off workers. Is that what you want people to see. Well, no, I guess not. You just want everyone to know that Romney made lots of money raiding companies, forgetting that Bain saved the vast majority of companies they bought, and in the process saved jobs.

Well Cathy, let me take a moment to educate you on the fact that this is exactly what Obama did with GM and countless other TAX PAYER funded bailouts. The big difference is that Romney used private money and Obama used tax payer money. So, if I have to choose between the two, I'll go with Romney.

Here are some articles you can read at your leisure . . if you dare.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/barack-obama-private-equity-king/2012/05/23/gJQAFolLkU_story.html
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/31/obama-slams-private-equity-but-his-own-investors-do-quite-well/
http://lonelyconservative.com/2012/05/video-debbie-wasserman-schultz-refuses-to-acknowledge-gm-layoffs-after-obamas-reorganization/

Isabella, So lets see Romney has:

-Bullied a gay student when he was younger, cutting off his hair.

-Tied a family pet to the roof of a car.

-Outsourced thousands of American jobs.

-Protested in support of the Vietnam War even though he avoided service by taking a missionary trip to France.

-Made a $10k bet on national TV

-Passed Romneycare now plans to repeal Obamacare..which is the exact same bill.

-Thinks people should only get the education they can afford.

-Is putting an elevator for cars in his house.

-Had his money hidden in offshore accounts.

-Paid a less percentage of taxes than the average middle class American.

To just name a few...

And NOW he's been busted for investing in a company that profited from the disposal of aborted fetus's and animal remains that died from medical testing.

You just can't make this kind of crap up.Bain Capital is only a tiny bit of what is corrupt about Mitt Romney.

Cathy our president admitted to smoking pot growing up and in college, hangs around with communist who got him to run in the first place, bows to muslims, wants to make all illegals citizens so that they vote for him, lies constantly and when he gets caught blames it on bush. WHAT WE NEED IS obama GONE.

JustMe, please back up your information that our president admitted to smoking pot growing up and in college, hangs around with communist who got him to run in the first place, bows to Muslims, wants to make all illegals citizens so that they vote for him, lies constantly and when he gets caught blames it on bush. Is that your opinion?

Cathy you forgot that when Mitt Romney was Governor, he did not collect a salary and paid his own way in the Governors Mansion in MA. Mitt Romney also said if he was elected President of the United States he would also do the same. We got a president that can't even give a whole 1% of his money a year to charities yet he makes over a million a year. This president has spent more on vacations then anyone in the last 20 years. Michelle takes a vacation when she comes back from a vacation, so she can relax, give me a break. obama is just about wasting the tax payers money.

Drew Lehman, If you go further down on the page you can see were obama admitting to smoking pot, don't believe me go look it up on snopes.com and factcheck.org since people think they are better than the Bible

Cathy these must be your opinions as you didn't back any of this information up with facts to state that they are true. And snopes.com and factcheck.org are not a reliable source either.

Well Cathy, let's address your rebuttals one at a time.

-Bullied a gay student when he was younger, cutting off his hair.**So did Obama.He bullied a girl, talks about it in his book. The difference, Romney apologized, Obama didn't.

-Tied a family pet to the roof of a car.**Obama ate dog.Talks about it in his book. The difference, Romney's dog got a vacation and Obama's dog, well he ate it.

-Outsourced thousands of American jobs. **So did Obama by creating such a horrific environment for businesses,many have had to ship jobs overseas to stay competative. My employer moved hundreds of jobs to India in the last 2 years.

-Protested in support of the Vietnam War even though he avoided service by taking a missionary trip to France.**Romney signed up for the draft and drew a number in December 1970, just like thousands of other young men.Because he drew a high number, he never had to serve.

-Made a $10k bet on national TV**So what. It's his money. Obama bet Billions of taxpayer funds we will never get back. Raser Technologies 33MIL, ECOtality $126.2 MIL, NGP 98.5miL, First Solar 3 BILLION, Abound Solar 400MIL, Beacon Power 43 MIL. and there's more. Take a look: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/forget-bain-obamas-public-equity-record-is-the-real-scandal/2012/05/24/gJQAXnXCnU_story.html

-Passed Romneycare now plans to repeal Obamacare..which is the exact same bill.** One is a State Bill and the other is Federal. Gigantic difference.

Let's continue . . .

-Thinks people should only get the education they can afford.**I agree, it's called living within your means. I'm tired of footing the bill for those that choose to live outside their means. There are many ways to get an education you can afford.

-Is putting an elevator for cars in his house.**It's his money, he can spend it how he likes.Unlike Obama who likes to spend taxpayer money. Me, I don't think I would go for a car elevator. I would build a cat sanctuary. Yea, that's right, a cat sanctuary.

-Had his money hidden in offshore accounts.**Well Cathy, if you know about it, you really can't call it 'hidden' now can you. I have money hidden in my sock drawer. Ooops, don't tell anyone.

-Paid a less percentage of taxes than the average middle class American.**Well, that's because most of his income is from capital gains and dividends, which are taxed at a lower rate than earned income. It's not rocket science. You earn a wage, higher tax rate, earn capital gains and dividends, lower tax rate. And lets not forget he regularly donates about 14% his income to charity. If you want a lower tax rate, start investing your money to earn capital gains and dividends. You can also lower your tax rate by donating to charity. There's lots of ways to lower your tax rate if that's what you're so concerned about. Here's an interesting story explaining how taxes work http://www.edactivist.com/html/lesson_plan_--_the_economics_o.html

Last one . . .

-And NOW he's been busted for investing in a company that profited from the disposal of aborted fetus's and animal remains that died from medical testing.**Can't say that I heard this story, but not sure what you mean by 'busted'. You libs love killing babies so I would think this would be a good thing. We can't leave these dead babies laying around. I mean, they have to be disposed of in some manner, right.

You obviously have a problem with successful people, as do others (thinking OWS). People in this county used to want to be successful. Now, we have a bunch of people who villify success and want success handed to them. They feel they are entitled to it and they shouldn't have to earn it. It's a sad day for our contry when more people gladly extend their hand for a government handout, then try to earn it. I'm afraid we are about to turn the corner to European Socialism and life in the USA will never be the same.

Drew Lehman---Read Obamas book, or get it on audio. You can hear him talk about smoking pot in his own words. No better source.

Cathy,
add to your list:

Tells students in need of college money to just get it from their parents like he did.
Tells people they don't need health insurance because they can just go to the emergency room.
Says that 47% of the country is on welfare and does not pay any taxes.
Changes what he said and denies it when asked directly.
Hates gays.
Considers women subservients.

I don't really care if Erin believes that was said was racist. I honestly had to laugh as she really does read into things. THESE are the kinds of people who buy into Obama's line. Are you one of the 47 % Erin?? Do you really expect Obama to be your savior? The scarey part is that there are many more like her out there. In the book "Dream from my Father", Obama mentions his use of pot many times. Also, Most people did not read the expose' of Obama during his time as a Constitiuonal Lawyer. He was involved in a real estate scandal in Chicago where some 200 blacks were thrown out into the cold in January thanks to Obama being The attorney representing a slum landlord. Can we call him RACIST also, then? OR does that just apply to Whites?? No one wants to convince Erin of her misimpression. We just hope that someday she is not so blind and deaf. Also READ about Environmental Racism. Another MISNOMER and MISGUIDED AGENDA by those on the LEFT>

Was that rant directed towards me? I did not even know this thread was still going. Well I guess you have now had more time to read books by authors who make their living off of "exposing" politicians though all of their supposed evidence has been denied and debunked. Ed Klein wrote a book on Hillary and the Kennedys. Most of these guys have attacked multiple lead politicians bc people bite every time. Of course I am blind and deaf so what would I know. A little skepticism is healthy but this guy fed shoveled crap that you were desperately in the market for so I am not surprised you bought it.

Obama is not my savior. Telling a black person to go back to Kenya when he has never lived in Kenya is awful. Telling a black person from Africa to go back to Africa is awful. I explained that below very carefully without aggression, so if you want to get all riled up be my guest. That story is closed.

I really don't give a darn about Obama smoking pot. Who really does? Finding someone who hasn't smoked pot in college is like finding someone who has never taken a drink and either way it really does not matter. Guess what guys? I am about to turn 30 yrs old here and in my younger days, I smoked pot. Alert the media. Brand me with a jade "W" on all of my clothing. I think the only ppl I know who have not smoked pot would be my Polish Catholic grandmother & maybe my Irish Catholic grandfather. I will ask though as they had both spent time in Ashbury in the sixties.

Lets address who is in that 47%. Children, lower income, retired citizens. Darn those 7 yr olds who don't pay income tax. For the other two, they do pay taxes. Considering what my money is going towards I would love to opt out of taxes.

I am not on the left. Obama is not my savior. I deeply disapprove of the two leading parties. If you think romney _is_ the savior bc of his business savvy...hahahahahaha. they are very similar. I will vote against fear mongering & grading public schools. Whether that is Obama or one of the other two candidates that you guys forget exist...I am undecided.

What any of that rant had to do with my previous comment about ppl publishing one liners telling Obama to go back to Kenya...I do not know.

As far as real estate scandals and getting money from shady people. This has been going on forever. This will always go on as long as we worship whomever the two leading parties give us and proceed to fight to the death about it. I don't really have time to look into all of this, but I would not be surprised if Obama was involved with shady people. Denying that is as useless as denying that Romney is not equally as guilty if not more.

We allow our government to give us these sub par presidential options and we even _fight_ for them. It is absurd. So let me be clear that when I combat racist comments or media lies about Obama, this is not me saying that "Obama is my savior and wholly (pun) awesome." I am blind and deaf? No my friend. I am considering picking what I consider to be the lesser of two evils bc grading our public school systems and further involvement with the middle east is detrimental to this country.

Don't buy everything you read. Especially from people who make a living off of "exposing" politician after politician. They are all crooked to some degree....and yet we believe them when they send American citizens off to die with billions of dollars behind them...This is strange to me.

And Paul Ryan voted for auto bailouts. I just don't get why you guys think there is such a stark difference between these candidates. Look at their voting records. TARP began with Bush. These two leading parties are entangled in private business money to the point of no return. In the past I have said that the GOP is dead, but I am willing to concede that both blue and red are long past dead. Read some other sources. Look outside your party.

I don't always agree with the hosts of this radio show, but check out Free Talk Live. You can listen online or download the podcasts onto your ipod for free. Sunday night is my favorite show. They discuss issues outside of the box which is just so refreshing and they are neither republican nor democrat. Some of the hosts are libertarian, but most are just tired of buying into all of this nonsense fed to us by our bought government and media. Two of the hosts are former right wing conservatives. None of them are voting for either Romney or Obama. As I said a million times before, if I vote for Obama it is because I am really opposed to the right wing education and foreign policy platform. Education may be the only area where the two parties actually differ. Foreign policy...I am just hoping that I can take Obama for his word (which I doubt).

Cathy half the things you say are not true and you need to read something except for liberal papers. How many people work for Staples and other companies he saved in the United States, If he had illegal offshore accounts why does everyone know about them and why is he paying taxes on the money. All Mormon at the age do missionary trip and his number wasn't pulled to go serve in Viet Nam as many others were not either. obummer paid the same amount of taxes as Romney so why aren't you slamming him. I agree with him about getting a college education that you can afford. You can get the same education at a STATE COLLEGE instead of going to an IVY College same classes and cheaper at a State College but some of the young who can't afford it want to go to Harvard and Yale and come out of College owing 200,000 while if the took the same classes at a State College they would only owe 60,000. Big difference in price for the same degree.

What has obama done for the USA besides put us in debt to almost 7 trillion, no jobs, companies like solar heat flopped, he is trying to kill the coal industry and put millions more out of office.

I will vote for Romney and not a social planner that never even had a lemonade stand.

Drew Lehman - Very easy to do New York times " "PHOENIX, Arizona — Senator Barack Obama, the Illinois Democrat who said Sunday that he was considering running for president in 2008, has created a little sunlight between himself and both Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

For one thing, he said, "When I was a kid, I inhaled." http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/world/americas/24iht-dems.3272493.html?_r=0

You can go and finish this article

In His Own Words… Obama Admits to Smoking Pot, Drinking Beer, Doing Drugs… And Bullying Fat Nerdy Black Girl in High School (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, May 10, 2012, 8:40 PM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/in-his-own-words-obama-admits-smoking-reefer-drinking-beer-and-enthusiastically-doing-drugs-in-high-school-video/

"Meanwhile, in “Dreams of My Father” Barack Obama bragged about smoking reefer, drinking beer and enthusiastically doing drugs in high school."

Obama Admits to Smoking Weed Daily
Obama: “Yes, I smoke weed everyday. So the (swear word removed) what?”
Washington, DC (Rueters)

In a press conference Friday, President Barack Obama admitted to smoking marijuana on a regular basis. Responding to a question about a soon-to-be-released biography by David Maraniss titled Barack Obama: The Story, in which the author details to a considerable extent the President’s drug use in his teenage years, the President grew enraged.

“Yes, I smoked weed when I was younger, okay?” said a visibly agitated President Obama when asked if he did indeed use cannabis in high school. “I’ve said that shit already!”

Added Obama: “And I’ll let you in on a another little secret: I still smoke weed everyday. So the (swear word removed, but you can read article what he said) what?”

http://oudeis23.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/obama-admits-to-smoking-weed-daily/

I did not want to use his exact words as he was swearing but you can read the article and see what he said. If I didn't remove Bob would of removed it.

http://antiobamablog.com/2009/02/07/photo-of-obama-smoking-marijuana-obama-admits-marijuana-and-cocaine-use/

This article will show you a picture of obama smoking pot.

Michelle Obama Admits To Smoking Weed in College
http://www.netquake.net/2012/05/michelle-obama-admits-to-smoking-weed-in-college/
More articles by netquake » Written by: netquake

"n full election campaign, Michelle Obama is currently busy promoting a cook book. She appeared on the Jon Stewart show and she talked about healthy food, but she also answered some uncomfortable questions asked by the host of the show.

Michelle Obama said that it was natural to release a cook book as she has always been promoting a healthy lifestyle. Michelle says the book is going to help families who want to keep kids away from the temptation of fast food. Jon Stewart also wanted to talk about the recent biography of Barack Obama, which refers to drugs use.

Although Michelle Obama was visibly disturbed by the question, she admitted that she smoked weed back in the day, when she was in college."

Drew Lehman - Is this enough articles or do you want to post more. Go read his book that came out when he was president and he says it there also.

Drew Lehman - For the record it wasn't I who called obama a communits and brought up the pot. If you would put your glasses and learn how to read then you should be able to see who called him the commie and the druggie. Then again this is what democrats do, don't read and then go saying stupid things and then asking for proof from the wrong person.

Drew Lehman - you can go to dollar stores and get bifocals for $1.00

Now, I do not pretend to know you personally and would never accuse you of being a "racist," but let me ask you this:

Telling a black person to go back to Africa would resonate as a racist statement in most people's ears, correct? Even if that person had one or two relatives from Africa. I would become extremely angry if someone told my friend from Ghana (country in Africa) to return to Africa.

And then, you add "rowboat" which continues the stereotype that all Africans come from very primitive cultures. I can promise you that my friend from Ghana grimaces whenever someone makes statements like "Africans don't have shoes." My professor would make these statements to the class that included my friend from Ghana, intentionally creating a vivid example of the African stereotype perpetuated by Western culture. Certainly there are less developed areas in Africa, just as there are less developed areas in the United States where one might have a rowboat but no car.

So though you may not be a racist person, I hope that you can see that what you said is incredibly racist. If you have ever gotten angry that someone accused you of not liking Obama bc of his race, it is probably bc you make statements that are the equivalent of telling a black person to go back to Africa. Whether you are aware of this or not, I am going to ask you to stop.

Erin Conners - You do read the news don't you? "CC" made no racist comment but was just expressing an opinion to have Obama go back to Kenya where so-called "birthers" believe he was born and therefore a citizen of that country. They also believe that his Hawaiian birth certificate is a fake and that he is not a citizen. So, I ask you to stop calling people racist just because they criticize a political person who is black. Stop throwing the race card.

Erin Conners:
Please. Playing the race card? Wanda Sykes, a well known black female comedian said, shortly after Obama was elected, "he better not (expetive) up, or the brothers and sisters will be asking 'what's that half-white guy doing?'" Obama is no more black than any Creole, high yellow, mulatto, or half a dozen other mixed ethnicities. Indeed, he is no more black than Hines Ward. There are Cuban boxers who are black, Carribean Islanders that are black, and American citizens who trace their roots back to the 1600's that are black. Obama is part Irish, for crying out loud. Rememer the "Beer Summit"?

More to the point, I personally don't care where he goes, as long as it is NOT back to the White House. When you begin a paragraph with "I ...would never accuse you of being a "racist", but...", you've indeed labeled that person a racist.

Well, no...There is a difference between saying something that would be perceived as racist, and being racist. People can often make offensive comments without thinking first where that comment might come from and if that comment might be insulting on the premise of ethnicity. I explained myself very clearly, and I don't feel the need to really defend myself further. I did only, and can only, suggest that we all think about what we say, and why we are saying it, so as to effectively communicate without unintentionally/intentionally isolating someone because of their ethnicity.

Take that for what you will. My comment stands.

Erin first of all you are the racist, as I said that because of Obama has bragged about how great growing up in Kenya was. I also know that Obama is Irish so what if I would of said why don't we shove a potato in his mouth so we don't have to listen to the lies out of his mouth would I be a racist because I insulted the Irish People, whom he also bragged about being. BTW thank you for reminding me that Kenya was in Africia. If I would of said put Obama out in the middle of the ocean in a rowboat without any oars, then I would consider myself a racist but I did no such thing.

Would you like to come meet my brothers daughter in law that is very embarrassed over President Obama as he is bi-racial and he can't even admit that he is. He always refers to himself as a black man, but was raised in a white society by white grandparents.

So Erin get off your high horse, I never said anything about the Africans not having shoes nor did I make any racist remarks. Remember it is always the racist that calls others out others as racist such as the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc do. So get off your high horse and quit calling me a racist. By the way that was not a racist remark, only racist take it as one.. Don't like what I post don't read as I quit reading what some post also.

Erin my statement stand also, you are a racist.

Absolutely. Those who fight for civil rights are the _real_ racists. You uncovered the great conspiracy. Congrats. Tell your brother's daughter-in-law to read his most famous speech . Here is a quick quote from Obama's most famous speech "A more perfect union" Please have your bro's daughter-in-law read it as it makes me really sad that she thinks he is ashamed of any part of his heritage...an opinion that is, I am sure, based on misinformation as all evidence points to the contrary.

"I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a Depression to serve in Patton's Army during World War II and a white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth while he was overseas. I've gone to some of the best schools in America and lived in one of the world's poorest nations. I am married to a black American who carries within her the blood of slaves and slaveowners - an inheritance we pass on to our two precious daughters. I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible."

full text: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/obama-race-speech-read-th_n_92077.html

steve totally agree with you there. obamacare is the worse thing that has happen to us. Our children and grandchildren are going to be paying for this big mistake.

Actually, your grand kids will be saving money with the ACA.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jul/11/american-commitment/tv-ad-says-health-laws-cost-2-trillion-double-what/
I'm getting tired of reminding people that the CBO, the people who run numbers for BOTH parties in congress, have said that this law will REDUCE the deficit by 1 trillion dollars in the next 20 years.

Jacob Pavelcic: do you mean the SAME CBO that has recently CORRECTED their figures found here: http://washingtonexaminer.com/cbo-obamacare-mandate-will-cost-6-million-taxpayers-7-billion-in-2016/article/2508483#.UHNFyvMj7E0

here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/09/20/cbo-11-million-uninsured-americans-will-be-subject-to-obamacares-individual-mandate-penalty-tax/

and here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/07/27/cbo-obamacare-will-spend-more-tax-more-and-reduce-the-deficit-less-than-we-previously-thought/

Yeah. Just what I thought....

Ed agree, heard next on his agenda if he is elected that he wants to make all illegals citizens of the United States. I heard on a news report that if illegals weren't working and taking jobs away from Americans we would have more than another 900,000 jobs in the United States. Arizona has it right when they wanted to send them back to what country they belong (Not sure how to write this as not to call me a racist by Erin). Your in this country illegally, get deported and if you want to come to America, come here like parents, grandparents did.

so true bd

The justice dept. was just upholding the 2nd ammendment that you hold so dear. Amazed to hear you having a problem with the sale of firearms. It wasn't the guns that the JD sold that killed that agent, it was the Mexican drug lord holding the gun, right? Don't hate the gun, hate the criminal who killed with it.

To answer the original question Patch asked - the number one issue in this election is Obama's birth certificate, apparently.

Msgt John Delallo, thank you for your service in the Military as you are who keeps us citizens safe, not the president, not the congress, not the house. It is an American Soldier that fights for our freedom.

JS I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon support the 2nd Admendment. It is criminals that sell guns illegally and they get in the hands of not only Mexican drug lords, but Somilian pirates. The statement is correct don't hate the gun hate the criminal that has it and kills someone.

The only racist remarks that I heard coming from the Patch was from Erin, think everyone is beyond obama being an illegal president. People want action now, jobs, getting rid of obama and obamacare.

Rob you couldn't of said it better, by your now going to be labeled a racist by Erin and so am I for agreeing with you.

Mr. Shoaf;
Save your breath. Bleeding heart liberals who "would never label you a racist" are very unlikely to be able to form an independent thought that would adequately answer your question. Don't you know that all whites are racists at birth? Thankfully we have liberals to apologize for us, and to remind us that there are no black racists.

The correct quote goes like this "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Methinks goes last. I am well read too. :)

"Why, pray tell, do you endeavor to portray yourself as some sort of unbiased, neutral, oh-so-well informed observer, rather than just come out and admit that you are an Obama supporter?"
Is it an either/or situation? Your question is a trap as I cannot come out and say "I support Obama" without then agreeing to not actually being well informed...Oh Robert. Liberal is not a dirty word. "obama supporter" is not a label that automatically has negative connotation. This is why I largely ignore you. Am I well informed? I try. I also try very hard to be a good person, which is what you are misinterpreting as an attempt at neutrality. I actually do not believe that neutrality exists, but the effort is a noble one in certain situations. As far as a resolution as to how I feel about Obama (since you are so very curious)?I can say that I am fascinated by Obama, as he is a brilliant man, but I am very careful about my votes/opinion, so I would not say that I support him just yet.

And yet still, my original comment stands, and I wrote it less for you guys who seem to willingly refuse to think about the origins of their statements, and more for those who read that comment and were naturally offended.

Is it really necessary to attack someone who tries to provoke actual thoughts on this thread, rather than throw out snarky comments on liberals/Democrats/Republicans/race/whatever else? So far, 90% of the posts I've seen here are just nasty attacks on everyone else, rather than an actual discussion. No wonder so many people hate politics and there are only a few people commenting here. This is almost embarrassing.

Erin we know you are a obama supporter as how you rudely attacked someone and called them a racist. I will also pitch in pennys to put obama on a rowboat and send him to kenya so he can be a social planner over there.

ML we going to start now, I know your an obama supporter and think obamacare is the best as its going to save you 600 a year off your prescriptions cause your not in the donut hole but other are stuck there.

Erin: Please, enlighten us more with your jiberish. How exactly is Obama "a brillant man?"

After all, we have no idea where he is born, no idea how he performed in school, how he got into Harvard, how he paid for school, and what he did to receive the Nobel Prize for Peace?

Do you have any of those answers?

How is he brilliant again? Because he can use a teleprompter, and without it, the "great orator" is lost?

Brilliant because he can really pick a good blend of Pot?

Brilliant because the only experience he has in life is to stir up neighborhoods and cause racial tensions?

Tell me, is he a brilliant golfer? Seems to be, as he gets a lot of practice.

Is he a brilliant Father? Doubt it.

How about a brilliant Husband? I know a guy named Larry Sinclair who would say otherwise.

Oh, I know...he is a brilliant communist.

You were right. He is BRILLIANT.

Dude, you're one to talk. Do you even hear how you write?

Just to add on - Econ 101 - jobs are created by demand for products and services, not politicians. When working people have had their wages cut or have been laid off in order to increase the bottom line, people don't have money to spend, thus no demand, thus no added jobs. Now you can say that the top 1-2% are making considerably more than they used to, so their demand should be growing. Unfortunately we can't all be in the high end furniture, swimming pool installation and security system business. We need demand from the middle class, while all you people are supporting policies to continue to erode the middle class.

JS ok i'll keep the keys small for you....when he left office Mass was in 28th or 30th place ---the 47th was the average for the 4 years. i'm so done on this post as it has become nothing related to the original post. go vote for obama, then wallow in misery while america goes off a cliff! if you don't already know by now, and after defending van jones nothing i can do will showyou the truth or the light. good luck to you js and just a piece of advice---stop letting things like my use of capital letters bother you--worry about the federal govt trying to take over every aspect of our lives----in other words DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF!!!!!

some people drank to much kool-ade that obama been selling in his lemonade stand

It wasn't a rebuttal, it was an observation, but you're like totally welcome, yo.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/in-his-own-words-obama-admits-smoking-reefer-drinking-beer-and-enthusiastically-doing-drugs-in-high-school-video/ In His Own Words… Obama Admits to Smoking Pot, Drinking Beer, Doing Drugs… And Bullying Fat Nerdy Black Girl in High School (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday May 10, 2012, 8:40 PM

Obama High

The WaPo reported today about an incident in 1965 when Mitt Romney reportedly bullied a fellow student. Their source was not even there to witness the incident… and only heard about it last year when the media started snooping around investigating Romney’s past.

Meanwhile, in “Dreams of My Father” Barack Obama bragged about smoking reefer, drinking beer and enthusiastically doing drugs in high school.

The first thing Jackson does that's harmful is to almost immediately jump in on any situation involving blacks and label it as a race issue regardless of whether or not race is even a factor. One recent example is Jackson's calling out of the media for using the word 'refugee' during/after Katrina. Jackson wanted them to be called 'displaced persons' because he claimed that calling them 'refugees' was racist. Since the word refugee literally means someone who is searching for refuge there is NO racial connotation to the term. This kind of grandstanding by Jackson is drawing attention away from legitimate cases of racist behavior and turning Jackson into "The Boy Who Cried Wolf." It's getting to the point that Jackson won't be able to label a definitive case of racism and be taken seriously. He is marginalizing himself and, by extension, his cause over time.

The primary mistake by Jackson though is in his approach to blacks in general. He thinks that reparations are owed to the black community. He repeatedly asserts that black Americans are incapable of bettering themselves without some from of outside help. What kind of message does this send to people? This kind of self-defeating tripe demeans the character and strength of blacks everywhere.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Jackson is doing this on purpose. I believe that he honestly wants to make things better and his intentions, sometimes anyway, are completely altruistic. His actions though are doing more to eat away at the foundations of racial equality than the vocal supremacist groups could ever do.

To sum up, Jackson is doing a phenomenal job paving the road to hell but failing us all with his short-sighted attempts at addressing racism. We have to get past the point where someone's skin color makes a difference. As long as people like Jackson and Duke, as well as programs like affirmative action, constantly reinforce the idea that the cellular levels of melanin in someone's skin matters we will NEVER achieve the ideal that people like Dr. King worked so hard to bring about.

Fox News said it had no immediate plans to broadcast Mr Jackson's full comments.
The "n-word" is considered so incendiary in the United States that it is very rarely used, even by people condemning the use of it.
Mr Jackson's shocking comments, which were prompted by Mr Obama's call for black fathers to show a greater sense of responsibility, highlight a schism between Mr Obama, 46, and older black politicians such as Mr Jackson, two decades older, who have deep roots in the civil rights movement.
"I am deeply saddened and distressed by the pain and sorrow that I have caused as a result of my hurtful words," Mr Jackson he said in a statement.
"I again to Senator Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, their children as well as to the American public.
"There really is no justification for my comments and I hope that the Obama family and the American public will forgive me." The Obama campaign declined to comment.
Mr Jackson, who supported Mr Obama against Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries ran for president in 1984 and 1988 and is considered by many to have blazed a trail for the younger man to follow.
But Obama campaign advisers have said privately that there has been an uneasiness between the two men, partly because Mr Obama, brought up in Hawaii and with a white mother, is not viewed by Mr Jackson as a mainstream African-American.

The episode has prompted calls for Mr Jackson to withdraw from politics.
"It's difficult to have credibility after this kind of senior moment," Jeff Johnson of Black Entertainment Television told MSNBC.
"But we have to talk about the fact that this is a really pervasive word and a word that meant not just degradation towards black people by people outside the race but a word that older black people have used for years behind closed doors.
Referring to rappers, hip hop artists and their followers, he added: "Now we're seeing a different definition of the word, young people who believe they now have power over the word and it's not as negative. I don't agree with that but that's the philosophy behind it."

In the Gladney attack, one of Gladney’s attackers was white. One can only conject that the “new and improved” NAACP will protect only Liberal “colored people,” and selected whites—particularly those instrumental in giving beatdowns to “Negros.”

On the night of the incident, Gladney was working to provide for his family selling Gadsden flags at an event. Of all the people these two union thugs could have selected at what the Left would deem a racist event, the thugs avoided the hundreds (crowd estimates were 1000 people) of white folks and found the only black person. There that Negro is, Cletus!

Gladney was not adorned in red, white, and blue, nor was his appearance overly patriotic. He looked and acted like a “vendor.” Nevertheless, the two SEIU hooligans, both at least fifty pounds heavier than Gladney singled him out for their attack. Wearing their gang colors, the...

purple SEIU t-shirts, his attackers made it perfectly clear that they represented the union–apparently Gladney didn’t have his union card.
So a black man was attacked for no reason, and while on the job; yet there was no outcry in the black community, no Sharpton visit, no Jackson press conference, and we now know the NAACP’s stance on the issue. The best they could come up with when attacking Gladney in the court of public opinion was: He didn’t even have medical insurance!

Gone are the days when the National Negro Committee turned NAACP actually stood for Republican ideals and truly represented the interest of blacks and other “colored people.” Like on June 18, 1935 in Murray v Pearson, when Thurgood Marshall and Charles Hamilton Houston successfully argued the landmark case to open the University of Maryland School of Law. This was back with the NAACP truly cared about educating blacks and protecting the rights of blacks.

The speaker mentioned that Gladney was being “kissed on the forehead, by a European.” I’d like to know who is kissing the NAACP on the forehead. What exactly have they accomplished for black people in the modern day?

The worse neighborhoods in America. The worse schools. The highest crime rates. The most people on welfare, per capita. Highest teenage pregnancy per capita. Highest high school dropout rates per capita. Lowest home ownership per capita. Lowest business ownership per capita.

Here’s the wrap:

The NAACP couldn’t do worse for blacks if it had been founded by Confederate Civil War veterans[1]. And in the Gladney incident, the NAACP proved that they are no better than the KKK.

Like the KKK, the NAACP has its second-class citizens—black Conservatives. Nevertheless, given the effectiveness of the NAACP in dealing effectively with black issues, I suggest that black Conservatives avoid the “help” that the NAACP provides, and enjoy being second-class citizens. Just try to avoid the occasional beatdowns.

Dear Mr. Pietosi:

I felt that I needed to respectfully respond to you post. I am not sure where you are getting your information that "[w]e don't know how smart he is because NO ONE seems to have his college transcripts and NO ONE remembers seeing him in college or even having him as a classmate!" (emphasis in the original)

Please allow me to confirm for you that I certainly remember having Mr. Obama as a classmate of mine at Harvard. Mr. Obama graduated from Harvard Law School in 1991, which was the same year that I graduated from Harvard College. Although I was not personally friends with our current President, I did see him on campus from time to time. Most of the students at Harvard knew of Mr. Obama since he was the first African-American leader of the Harvard Law Review. One of my favorite momentos from my college days is my graduation program which lists me as receiving my undergraduate degree, and "Barack Hussein Obama" (yes, he used his full name back then too) receiving his law degree, magna cum laude.

With due respect, the person/persons giving you this information are in error.

I bet Lou watches a lot of fox news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIgyN0slhC4&feature=related

factman, i watched your cartoon that is full of misinformation and can't believe that your trying to actually pass that off as facts.

there are millions of cartoons out there on obama and all the lies he post, would you like to see these too.

Kelly in who's opinion is everyone over the comments that Jesse Jackson made about obama, is that your opinion or is that a fact, please tell me where you get all your information at. I looked that up on the internet and could not find anyone saying that they were over it. At least Republicans apologize for what they do. Not the Democrats and especially not obama, he just blames his stupid mistakes that he does on Bush, even though Bush had nothing to do with it. I would like you to prove what your saying is true, have not seen anything other than I proved it but you never did no such thing.

Kelly unless you can back up what you say then your words are only opinions.

ml= idiot you prove it time and time again. go drink obama's kool-aid

Because the Patch and its employees support obama, just as other newspapers support one candidate or the other.

lets quote factcheck.org or snopes.com the bible of the democratic party

now I know lou watches to much fix and friends

Billie I know I will be voting and so glad that they are making people show valid ID in Pennsylvania and the other states that passed this law. The people that are registered to vote in 20 different places under 20 different name will finally be stopped from voting. And if you don't vote then you have no business of complaining . I can only remember one election since being 18 and not being able to vote in and I was in the delivery room. It is my duty to vote as I am an American Citizen, wish others that open their mouths and complain would feel the same.

For those suggesting raising tax rates will not make much difference in the class of earners making $200K or more, read recent reports of migration patterns. In recent years, after passing a "millionaire tax," MD has lost over a billion dollars in tax revenue, losses resulting from the target payers leaving the state. When the tax was proposed it was intended to close the budget gap (cliche for "we need more money from the top few"). Now, a few years later, the outcome of the new tax policy shows the intention has been completely reversed in reality.

A similar pattern is shown on a national level, with more people at the top end of earners moving to other more tax-friendly countries. The capital from these folks is no longer available to help the US.

So, when I hear statements like, "it will hardly be felt by the few," I shudder. Clearly, these statements are very naive. These statements were made in the Obamacare discussion, plus other places. Yes, tax policy does impact how people choose to live their lives, and where they choose to live. Even a small change can have a negative impact on total revenues.

What was the President's advisers thinking when they made yesterday's proposal?

Roger I read that last night on the net and you wouldn't believe the people that aren't happy about this as these people won't create job, they are going to be over taxed and then are the ones that they expect to pay more money out to support all the ones that are eligible for obamacare for free or cheap.

obama is so out of touch with reality

Roger. everyone including the gop knows that cuts alone will not get us out of debt. there is a need to raise revenue.

Roger, I know for a fact this is going to effect my business. we will be laying off 8 people very soon, something that I really don't want to do because of obamancare. I had a meeting with my accountant this morning and he said if this does go though, he advises me that I will have to lay 2 more off. This is 10 hard working people that are going to lose their jobs and it is all obama's fault. I can't blame Bush as he isn't around as President and he didn't pass obamacare nor is Bush to blame because obama " for a one-year extension of Bush-era tax cuts on annual income up to $250,000, while letting those that chiefly benefit the very wealthy expire on schedule at year's end".
My accountant told me I would be better off out sourcing my work overseas and having no employees in the United States. I am trying to figure out a way to keep all of my employees working full-time and all we can come up with now is either move the company or take every ones hours down to 30 a week, or I will be keeping my employees at 40 hours, getting rid of 8 now 10 and the ones that are left will be eating up a lot of overtime. obama who thinks he is a king needs to get off his high horse and start listening to what the people need as i'm not the same one faced with this situation and it is sad. So glad he won't be able to blame Bush when unemployment jumps to 20 % within the next 2-3 years.

@bob – I agree there is a need to raise revenue. The difference between what most would call Democrats and Republicans is HOW we raise additional revenue.

One party would have us believe there are groups – whether people or businesses – that do not pay their fair share in taxes. To remedy this injustice, this party seeks to target these groups to either raise their taxes or eliminate potential tax loopholes.

Another party believes that if we lower taxes across the board, it will foster an economic environment that creates companies and jobs which means we add more taxpayers to the rolls.

The first party wants to raise revenue by taking more from a few. The second party wants to take less from many. I prefer the second party’s approach.

Bob Balmer - So, you want more revenue for the Dems to spend? Why not start with the 49 percent of Americans who pay no federal income tax?

cc. I hope you dont expect anyone to believe this story

bob balmer, this is from the State of Indiana link for medical assistance program. You can read it for yourself if you say "don't expect anyone to believe this story, go read it here:

http://www.indianajustice.org/Data/DocumentLibrary/Documents/1054478707.0/0105medicaid.pdf
Do I make too much money to get Medicaid?
Resources – you can only have a limited amount of resources and get Medicaid. The current limit is $1,500 for a single person and $2,250 for a married couple. Resources include things like land, money, bank accounts, insurance policies, and some vehicles. Resources don’t include the house you live in, furniture, one vehicle, and clothing. If you are a nursing home resident, your spouse may keep more assets.
Income – In 2005, the Medicaid income guideline for one person is $579 per month. For a married couple, the limit is $869 per month. Certain additional children or persons in the household add $290 each to the income limit. Under the spend-down rule, if you can show each month that you spend all your extra income on medical bills or health insurance premiums, you may still be eligible for Medicaid.
Certain low-income Medicare recipients may qualify for one of the limited Medicaid programs. This coverage includes payment of all or part of the Medicare Part B premiums, and may include payment of Medicare deductibles and co-payments.

bob balmer when obamacare comes into effect he will be able to get medicare and he doesn't believe in obamacare either as the say it will give healthcare to people with preexisting conditions. but if you read the fine print under obamacare it won't be paying for anything.

I am not sure what money your allowed to have in the bank in PA, as I never used it but i'm sure some Democrat on here will be able to give you this information because of entitlement.

Lou they would rather get their news from snopes.com or factcheck.org because the Democrats tell you that it is the most reliable source of information and all news shows get their facts from them. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLlllllllllllll

Lets see ranker.com is a real legit website, owner Clark Benson had 2 interesting web sites espin a spin the bottle social network for matchmaking, then we got eCrush a dating site for teens very impressive. Then we got Joel Yarmon a MYSpace CEO and Userplane founder Michael Jones. Ranker.com is also being accused of being a spamming website and blog owners. Not a site that I would trust at all.

Lou couldn't of said it better

I am sure you watch fox news every night. I'd bet big that is the only news channel you watch. where else would you get this crap

I think your bill o'rielly in disguise

as long as a black man is president

JS, Mitt was doing missionary work and his number was never pulled to go to Viet Nam, back then they had the draft and it was a lottery system as how they were drafted. Today our young men and women go and join the military. JS I will be canceling out your vote and remember to bring your ID with you. We want to make sure you vote, not all the illegals and the ones that accorn signed up in 20 different places with 20 different names. I love the other post about how the Democrats want to wait till the next presidential election to put it into effect cause they know obama can't get voted in with out them.

I have offered much substance on issues throughout these threads the last couple of days, only to be met with cries of "communist, liar,etc." by you and others. I'm an adult, I can take it. I have argued on many different forums and in many taverns about politics. Some of it has been civil, some of it was reduced to cries of communism, racial epithets and screaming fits. Why does this always seem to come from the right? Conservative is a perfectly acceptable description of your way of thinking. My way of thinking normally gets preceded by stupid or lying, as in stupid liberal, or shifted to the extreme of communism. Facism is the belief in corporatism above all else, but because of the atrocities that have been associated with facism, I do not lower myself to call conservatives fascists.

As for Obama and Columbia - read this http://www.factcheck.org/2010/02/obama-at-columbia-university/ and please lay off the right wing half truths and exagerations that get sent around in emails. Never said that Romney didn't enroll in the draft, only that he didn't serve, actually was in France (proven) after school for his church, yet found the time to protest in favor of the war. I know the Republican party has a recent history of chicken hawks, but this needs to be brought out. These are facts.

As for your ethnicity, you've brought it up countless times, which makes it fair game. And also not an excuse for writing styles or inflammatory content.

Now I'm done.

There is that factcheck.org again, the bible of the democrats.you forgot your snopes.com facts too, you slipping. While Americans read the newspaper, watch the news on TV, the democrats just go to snopes.com or factcheck.org

I think your bill o'rielly in disguise

JustMe - if you click on this link (http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=factcheck.org&submit=Search) it's a partial list of the number of times Fox News has quoted FactCheck.org. Here is a list of articles at the Christian Science Monitor that does the same (http://www.csmonitor.com/content/search?SearchText=factcheck.org&sort=relevance).

I posted this on the other thread as well, but you have a habit of conveniently ignoring that which you do not want to see. And you are one of the most offensive posters on this site when it comes to name-calling, using the terms "ignorant" and "moron." You also made an extremely foul racial comment on the other thread that says: "So lets laugh about the most confusing day in the hill district, Fathers Day and you all know the reason why." You should be ashamed of yourself.

Bob you'll be rewarded when you get your free obamacare as they want to you to go out of business because they taken everything off of you. It is very hard being a business owner in today's society and obama wants to bleed you dry till you have no money left to pay your workers, pay all the taxes that you pay. It is a shame when small businesses are being put out of business by obama.

your in the mortgage business and where spreading false info about taxes on capital gains when you sell your house!

Lou when election time comes around the Unions send you a paper and tell you who your allowed to vote for. Your not allowed to have a mind of your own and vote for someone of your choosing.

@bob - Please remind me when I called Obama every name but the one you mentioned above.

@Lou – It’s going to be difficult to draw distinct lines between the two candidates based on their records. They’re slightly different versions of the same portrait.

Regarding healthcare, the majority of Americans do oppose the bill but I’m not sure they actually believe Romney or anyone else can do anything about it. I think the election is going to be what will happen to our country in the next four years and which candidate will do the least amount of harm.

No one believes Romney is a maverick that will shake the establishment to its core and make fundamental changes. That said, if Romney can convince the majority of voters he will at least slow down our eventual decent into socialism, he might have a chance.

no lie just not all the info. you omitted the fact that this tax is for people who's income is more than 500k per year

The limit is $200K (maybe $250K) per year, not $500K. This will hit small business owners right in the pocketbook! Also, it will hit older people forced to take RMD! It is another way to suck off capital from the markets, into government programs.

you omitted the 500k income

lou that tax you refer to is for people making 500k plus a year.

Really Bob, that's funny because that's not what I'm hearing. The majority DO NOT want Obamacare.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

You know, or in your case, you probably don't know, but most of polls published by the mainsteam media (libs) are always slanted left because of two reasons. 1. They poll registered voters instead of likely voters. 2. Somehow they always manage to poll a greater percentage of democrats. Happens all the time. Hmmm wonder why.

And as for your earlier comments:

bob balmer
Obama is not black, he is bi-racial and no one has called the President names. His policies are clearly Socialist, like it or not, that is the term. Socialist/Communist, it really doesn't matter, they both involve government control, but in a different manner.

Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor because he doesn’t have a cow.

Communism: You have two cows. The government takes both and gives you the milk.

Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both and sells you the milk.

Nazism: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income.

Capitalism is the American way and I'll take it any day over the Obama, Pelosi, Reed, Frank, Dodd failed policies.

Bob Balmer - You better start reading more, Bob. The majority of Americans do not want the ACA legislation. Obama and his henchmen/women have had a chance to sell this for a long time and cannot do it. You saying it is popular won't make that happen either. I believe that the Dems really wanted this crappy legislation outlawed by SCOTUS so they would have something to rail about during the campaign to get everyone's mind off the terribly inept job Obama and his adminstration is doing on the economy. now that they do not have that issue, what have they rolled out? We are back to CLASS WARFARE regarding the Bush tax cuts. Obama must go.

bd obama is still trying to sell obamacare and every speech he makes it sounds like he is trying to say that obamacare is better than sliced bread.

There is a ton of drugs up at Baldwin still, times haven't changed since Baldwin had the Gold Rush back in the 70's. Baldwin Guy, some Democrat made the statement that obama never did drugs and it is a fact that he did, it is even in the book he wrote.

Obama supporters think just the same: there is Nothing anyone can say and no amount of facts, obvious or not, that Romney supporters will listen to or admit to. They think this country is in horrible condition because of actions taken by the Republicans, poor stewardship by Bush, then a lack of action and cooperation by the Republican-controlled congress over the past 4 years. And getting their supporters to completely ignore the factors that got us into this mess by creating their "hate the poor and minorities and everyone and blaming everyone but themselves." It's just a matter of perspective. No one is stupid, delusional or uninformed, they just have a different opinion and point of view. That's what makes our political system unique and interesting.

Well said Lou

Lou so true.

what misinformation are you talking about?

I'll tell you something Lou. you are more fiscally responsible and I am with you on that. When the gop stops being the party of god i will join.

Sue you need to show Photo ID now to be treated at a hospital, doctors office but people are boohooing because they have to show it to vote. The ones that are crying are the democrats and want to wait till the next election for this law to take effect. Why because of all the ones that goes from place to place to vote. With showing your ID will mean that you'll only be able to vote once, something that obama and the democrats are fighting.

JustMe - Where are Democrats in Pennsylvania going from place to place to vote?

Explain why Holder says that requiring ID to vote is racist, but when he spoke at the NAACP Convention a couple days ago a photo ID along with a 2nd form of ID was required to get in to listen to him.

So, are we now saying that Pennsylvania’s Voter ID law is going to be the most important issue in this year’s Presidential election? You guys may be on to something.

Don't be confused. People commit fraud all the time for monetary gain. what is to be gained from committing voter fraud ?

@ML – The only reason why these people will not be able to vote is that they procrastinated in getting the ID necessary to do so. It’s really just that simple.

Back to the point of this thread, very few citizens will consider voter fraud laws the most important issue in the Presidential election.

@bob balmer – I hope your question was rhetorical. Otherwise, YIKES!

Or consider how national security and defense spending directly effects the economic crunch that we are experience. Subjects such as the FED and inflation tax. Is it possible that our economic situation is a direct result of extreme spending in the defense department? Are we too focused on welfare and social services while neglectiving criticism of our foreign spending? Comparing the numbers is enlightening.

@Erin – It’s good to have you back.

I think federal spending is absolutely an important topic. At this point in time, I think most citizens are more concerned with costs surrounding Obamacare/expansion of Medicaid. I think military/homeland security spending if off the radar due to the fact that we’re withdrawing troops from overseas and cutting the size of our military.

To your point,”Is it possible that our economic situation is a direct result of extreme spending in the defense department?” Despite your pejorative use of “extreme” the answer is yes and no. You could say yes because all government spending impacts our lives and therefore the economy. You could say no because in and by itself, defense spending is not the sole reason the economy is in its current situation.

Overriding all of this is the state of the economy, especially as it relates to unemployment.

Lou Pietosi
11:26 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
The cheap jokes and insults that make up most of the posts the past 24 hours from BOTH sides have personally turned me off and lessened people's legitimate points of view so I'll say thanks to everyone for allowing me to voice my opinion for the past 5 or 6 days. I hope no one decides to drag me back in here with another personal attack or insult as to my use of CAPS, ethnic background, viewing choices ~which no one here has any idea of OR any other post except a legitimate argument on the subject of the original post. I look forward to another post on another matter and invite ALL of you to come see my band, Silent Partner sometime for a night of Classic Rock and NO politics ! LOL. Goodnight folks!

It looks like your not personally turned off

It was a pretty big topic in 2004 and 2008. National security isn't my No. 1 topic, but it's certainly in the Top 3. What's going to happen in Afghanistan, with our enormous embassy in Iraq, with the unspeakable violence in Syria, with the covert drone wars in Pakistan and Yemen? A president will be asked to do many things during his/her term. Why this isn't being discussed on this forum (or even on the national stage) is quite surprising to me.

@Mike Jones – Barring anything catastrophic, I think you’re going to have to wait for the debates to hear anything substantive regarding defense/homeland security. It’s not that the topic is not important, it’s just not as important right now to those who are feeling the crunch of the current economic environment.

Another thought may be that the majority of citizens believe there is no discernible difference between the two on foreign policy.

"crunch of the current economic environment"

I've got a good job and my wife has a good job. In fact, I don't know anyone that is currently unemployed.
We own a house.
We're making money, saving money and spending money.
Things have improved since 2008.

@OC... I think you're right that people are more concerned about their pocketbooks than terrorism right now. I can't blame them for feeling that way. But it shouldn't be shut off from the discussion. As for there not being much of a difference about the two candidates, I haven't heard what Romney would do with Afghanistan (stay the course until 2014?) or with the drone war that is becoming an effective, albeit controversial tactic.

Mike sums it up very well.

I'm not saying it's the most important topic. I was just looking for people's thoughts on it.

@Mike – I mean this with all sincerity, good for you. I also own a home, have a good job and save money for retirement. I’m also happy you don’t know anyone who is unemployed. I can’t say the same.

However, it is not even close to credible to say that our nation’s economy can be considered healthy. Unemployment (not to mention under employment) continues to remain very high and is one of key reasons many citizens are feeling an economic crunch.

In fact, a good number of economists believe that we shouldn’t expect to see a turnaround until 2014 to 2016. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48072620/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/t/ap-survey-next-president-faces-high-unemployment/

You also have to consider the fact that states are cutting their workforces, cities are declaring bankruptcy and unfunded pension liabilities are going to do even more damage moving forward.

Let’s be honest here and admit something needs to be done to turn this around.

@Mike Jones – I stated that people may believe there is no difference between the two on foreign policy. What any citizen could do proactively is go to Romney or Obama’s website and read what they say they’re going to do in Afghanistan, Pakistan and any other foreign policy issue that interests them.

As far as the candidates and the media focusing on the economy, it’s completely understandable.

Something is currently being done to improve the economy. Things are moving in a positive direction.
I don't want to blame anyone but President Obama inherited a financial mess. He's stopped the ship from sinking!

Cindy go read about Acorn and the massive amount of people that they registered that don't exist, were dead or were registered in different areas, same name, same social security number but different places of residence. Acorn had to give up their license in Ohio, and on August 10, 2012 they are going to be sentences in Nevada for the mess that they created with voters fraud.

MS, can you explain a 403B visas and 403B workers. I tried to search this on the internet as I never heard of either but can't come up with any information. I do know like a 401K there is a 403B retirement plan.

Economic data to support my post?!?

Yeah.... my wallet, my bank account, my house, 2 cars, vacations, a comfortable lifestyle and dozens of friends and family who have jobs.

Contrary to what the various Chicken Little's (aka political pundits) are getting paid to tell you, the sky isn't falling.

@Mike – I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I was expecting you to point to what Obama has done that “stopped the ship from sinking.” I suppose your only answer is “my wallet, my bank account, my house, 2 cars, vacations, a comfortable lifestyle and dozens of friends and family who have jobs.”

Please expound by telling us eager readers, what exactly did Obama do that filled your wallet, stocked your bank account, got you into that home, assisted you in acquiring those two cars, helped book those vacations, fostered that comfortable lifestyle and ensured that dozens of friends and family have jobs?

Before you begin, I must admit there may be quite a few here who believe that “dozens of friends and family” might not be a representative sample of the nation as a whole.

We look forward to your reply.

Outraged - You already got my reply. If you, or anyone else on here doesn't like it. Well, so what.

I know that you desperately need someone to blame for all the misfortune you think you're seeing around you.
I can't help you there.
I'm far too busy and far too satisfied with my life to go searching for some invisible monster(s) to blame.

If you and yours are in such dire straits maybe you should stay off the internet and focus on what is really important.

@Mike – That’s what I thought, crickets.

It sounds like you’re the one who needs a “straw man.”

Oh well Tony Robbins, catch you on the flip side.

Outraged - What does that even mean? Tony Robbins?

Why would I need a straw man? I just stated that I don't need to blame anyone for life's troubles.

I'm in the middle of the political spectrum and I can tell you that your nonsense would never convince me that your side is the better side.
If anything, you come across as childish.

@Mike – Tony Robbins is a self help guru who promotes positive living through positive thinking. With the abundance of satisfaction in your life, you kind of reminded me of him.

It was never my point to convince you of anything, bless your little heart.

My point is to demonstrate that there is absolutely zero critical thought behind your assertion that, “Something is currently being done to improve the economy. Things are moving in a positive direction.
I don't want to blame anyone but President Obama inherited a financial mess. He's stopped the ship from sinking!”

When asked to give examples, you couldn’t. You rely on the experiences of yourself and a few dozen people to comment on the state of the nation as a whole. When pressed, you say I already told you that my family and these few dozen people – out of a nation of 300 million plus – are doing just great and anyone who says otherwise is a danged old Chicken Little.

Let’s focus; we’re in this discussion because you’re the one that said Obama “stopped the ship from sinking.” I only asked you how.

Your ranting about my need to blame others is non-existent and therefore a non sequitur to this discussion. There’s your straw man.

Again, nothing but crickets.

Outraged Citizen - My favorite color is green. I will not cite evidence as to why green is my favorite color.
I also will not cite evidence as to why I'm doing pretty good economically.

What is wrong with you?

Mike you can walk in your job on Monday or one of your family members walk into their jobs tomorrow and be given a pink slip. No job is a guarantee anymore. Ask people who put 19 years in a business to walk in to work one day and be told that this is your last day of work and thank you for being a loyal employee. This happens under all presidents whether they are democrat or republican.

@Mike - And soon, the chorus of crickets will be deafening!

I suppose that is fitting, given your favorite color is green.

Please define massive.

Mike go read about Acorn and you'll find out about the massive amount of fraudulent or sloppy registration of voters.

Lou - This has nothing to do with your opinions or the content in your posts.
First of all, learn to spell and stop using caps in your posts. When people see posts, like all of your posts on this thread, it is the equivalent of someone carrying a sandwich board up and down the street as they wear an aluminum foil helmet.

I don't think that you're a raving lunatic that sleeps under a bridge, so stop posting as if you are. Then, people might take what you write seriously.

By the way..... Aren't you guys Republicans? Why are you busting my chops because I'm doing well economically?

Mike that is incorrect and if you knew any Italians they talk with their hands and with Lou only typing like he is talking with his hands. No one thinks he is shouting at them other than you.

Mike in this day and age most people know how to read typonese as not everyone are perfect spellers. Just a hint if you see a red s wiggly line under a word if you right click on it, it will give you the correct spelling, so you can make Mike happy because he hates incorrect spelling.

Amricans! Are they like Puerto Ricans? hahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha!

Pleanty! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...........

Guys... We can kick sand in each others' faces all night, but it's 4:32 on a Friday afternoon. Maybe chill out for a little bit, have some cold beer and chicken fried, or do whatever y'all do on Friday nights.

Same to you, Lou... Take care and have a good weekend. See you next week.

Has the overall economy improved since 2008? Yes, it has.

George W Bush broke it and Barack Obama is fixing it. Why elect another Republican to break the economy again?

@ Mike,
I notice that you have no source to back up your claims that the economy has improved since 2008. Funny that your attitude is "I'm doing better, so the whole economy is better." You have no facts to back up that claim. Just because there is more money in your pocket doesn't mean that is representative of the economy as a whole. You have been asked several times to back up the claim that "Obama saved the economy" yet posted nothing but attacks and self-serving diatribes.

On another note, I find it comical that you have to resort to pointing out grammatical mistakes and typos, since you have nothing to back up your claims.

How about next time just telling the truth. The economy has been good for YOU, regardless of how it has been for your neighbor, and you want more of the same. Nothing wrong with that, at least it would be factual. And honestly, when you start pointing out grammatical errors to try to insult, you really look foolish (if the rest of your posts didn't already do that). But don't enter a political debate, spouting inaccuracies without resources to back up your claims. You'll look like Erin Conners.

Really? Are you really going to say that I don't post sources? I put entirely too much time researching every aspect of everything that I say on this thread bc I use my real name and photo and would like to remain credible.

Can you make any comment without insulting another poster? Give it a shot. You might like what you get in return. ie: stop being such a jerk all of the time. Please. Every time you make a snide/mocking comment you discourage other people from posting and bring down the entire thread.

And Erin, every time that you belittle others for not being as educated as you would prompt others to leave the site. A jerk? By pointing out the inaccuracies in your posts? By pointing out that some of your "sources" are blogs? Please. Every time someone shows the hypocrisy in your posts, you whine about it being a personal attack. As I've said before, just take your ball and go home.

When have I pointed out my education except in response to people saying that my education is indoctrinating me and keeping me from "real life" wisdom. Come on now.

How is calling me a "hack" or a "career student" pointing out my hypocrisies?

When have I _ever_ posted a blog except when I posted a blog explaining the FED just as a laymen's introduction that was followed by wikipedia for people who like that source and a Scientific American article by a nationally renowned economist?

And blogs can be good sources of information. Many blogs have multiple hyperlinked sources within the body that leads to good info. Just as wikipedia will sometimes have their sources listed in a bibliography below the article which leads to excellent reading.

Show me one example of any of those accusations. One. I put a lot of time and research and thought into my responses. I make a special effort not to attack anyone on the basis of their personal lives. There is no reason why you guys should not be able to have these discussions without being "jerks." No reason at all. So you make your choices of how to conduct yourself under your anonymous name, and I will make mine. The difference between our posts is I like to share information and talk about politics; you like to attack people for your own amusement. End of story.

And what is this "take your ball and go home" statement. Do you think this is clever? I assume it is a metaphor for children playing where one child is bullied and told to leave.

You want to talk about hypocrisy? Saying that you are not a bully who makes personal attacks and discourages others from participating and then using a metaphor which puts you in the position of the bully who is discouraging children from playing, is pretty much laughable.

Can you point out an instance in which I have been hypocritical?

You don't deter me from posting by telling me not to. You really can save the energy.

“Take your ball and go home” has its roots in that as children we occasionally run into someone who is not happy with the way a game requiring a ball is being played. Rather than continue to play the game, this person ruins it for the rest of the group by taking their ball (the only one available to play the game) and going home.

Concerned Citizen vs Outraged Citizen. Hilarious!

Post a source regarding my opinion? How exactly would one do that?
In my opinion, the economy self destructed under President Bush.

My favorite color is green, I won't be posting a "source" to confirm that my favorite color is green.

Concerned - Don't bother replying or arguing with me.
I don't care what you have to say.

Concerned Citizen writes: ... But don't enter a political debate, spouting inaccuracies without resources to back up your claims. You'll look like Erin Conners.>>>

Was that closing necessary? Or should I say, keep doing that and "You'll look like cc."
Concerned Citizen, cc, hmmm.....maybe you are cc.
Nah, you have a much better control of the English language for one thing.
:-)

Mike you are delusional if you think the economy has greatly improved. Go look at the price of Gas in California, and how much groceries went up there over the last week. Blaming Bush again for obama doing nothing, just like a typical democrat.
We need Romney in to fix all of obama's wasted spending that didn't create jobs, but only got him money to run for another 4 years.

Erin that isn't true what you say about Concerned Citizen at all, the only people that I see running others off the thread are usually democrats that get very nasty. I find what you write comical as you don't get to the point. You just write long winded things that could be said in a few sentences. But that is your writing, nothing wrong with it either.

He we go again with NE12UKid again on attack mode. You got told off many times under your other alias so you got a new name to attack under. Same writing same stupid things you say and when you don't like what others say you attack. I feel sorry for you and their are medications that you can go get to help with the mental issues that you have. There are even Psychologist out there that can help you and since your so well known all over the world, the won't even ask you to provide Photo ID,

Ever the victim, Erin? Trying to martyr yourself? No one is bullying anyone here, but I'm not surprised you turned it into that. The phrase "Take your ball and go home" refers to a petulant child that quits because they don't get their way, and I can't think of a more fitting phrase to sum up how you respond when people point out the flaws in what you bloviate.

Dude, move on and get over me already. I say calling me "little girl" a "hack" and a "career student" is not conducive to the conversation. I think encouraging people to avoid these kinds of insults is good for everyone. You say that those names are pointing out my faulty comments. We won't agree, so lets just move on!

I posted a bunch of helpful budget projection stuff at the bottom since this seems to be the most important issue for everyone. Comment on that.

Erin, don't worry, last comment to you. Here's a bit of advice. Every now and then, when you are proven wrong, it's okay to concede that someone has a better point than you. Really, it's okay. Just two examples where you could have done that without being "attacked" (ha) be me and others. You post that Romney didn't perform better in the debate, and really, whether you think the issued "debated" were worthy, that wasn't the entire point. You said that there was no winner. In a situation like that, just take the blinders off, and concede a point, for pete's sake. Is it THAT hard for you to do that? Clearly Obama was "outperformed" in that debate; you claiming that isn't true doesn't make it so. And the point above where you turned the whole thing into a "bullying" issue, you could have conceded that you didn't understand the phrase. Nowhere in your reply telling me to leave you alone did you acknowledge that you jumped the gun there. Wow. All that education and not a single original thought. As far as attacks go, I guess calling me a jerk wasn't personal? Yeah, clearly that wasn't personal. There is yet another example of you saying one thing and doing another, like saying that you aren't an Obama supporter (not one single person who has read your posts would believe that).

Keep on trolling troll. Nobody cares.

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What I see are two people Erin and ne12ukid, who are both totally out in left field. There is a saying that fits both of you "Never have a battle of wits with an unarmed person and that fits both of you to a T. Long winded Erin and the one that likes to plagiarize others writings from many articles and then tries to pass it off as their own writing. correct ml

Oh no no no. Don't even. He said exactly that, so maybe you need to stop believing the right wing spin. (Left wing spin exists too...I hate that I have to clarify this). If you are going to defend this statement, do not deny what was EXPLICITLY said.

""There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that are victims, who believe the government has responsibility to them who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvqHERTcytI

And you are talking about the tax cuts that he denied were part of his plan during the debate?

So absurd.

Obama: "You know, this is where budgets matter, because budgets reflect choices. So when Governor Romney indicates that he wants to cut taxes and potentially benefit folks like me and him, and to pay for it we're having to initiate significant cuts in federal support for education, that makes a difference."

Romney "Not the one we've been on, not the one the president describes as a top-down, cut taxes for the rich. That's not what I'm going to do."

Romney: " My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. But I'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people. High-income people are doing just fine in this economy. "

Romney: "The second area, taxation, we agree, we ought to bring the tax rates down. And I do, both for corporations and for individuals. But in order for us not to lose revenue, have the government run out of money, I also lower deductions and credits and exemptions, so that we keep taking in the same money when you also account for growth."

As far as corporate taxes go he has talked about lowering to 25%. I believe it is at 35%. Obama has offered to lower to 28%. More to the point....Obama and Romney are the same. Obama has also talked about lower exemptions which he refers to as "loopholes" but Obama says it, the right wing goes nuts on the word "loophole." People...as far as taxes, they are the same!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/03/politics/debate-transcript/index.html

Did you even listen to the debate? He said that there are cuts, that are off-set by the elimination of deductions. The discrepency is whether the elimination of deductions will truely offset the cuts. Obama is assuming there will be $zero dollars offset so he is using the full 5 Billion. Romney is saying he will offset the whole thing, or will only implement the amount that he can offset. This isn't any different from what Romney has said from day one, or has had clearly spelled out on his website for months.

My guess is it is somewhere between zero and $5 Trillion. CNN calculated it out and said the $5 Trillion is wrong.

Don't believe all the left wing spin little girl. No one has yet to confirm the $5 Trillion het except the Obama campain.

Erin--do you know now many major corporations pay $0 in taxes or close to it? Quite a few. By lowering the rate from 35 to 25 percent and completely eliminating the deductions or loop holes, you are actually raising the next tax rate or revenue coming in. but for it to work it needs to be across the board. No exceptions for cetain "favored" industries on either side.

"little girl?" Someone is upset that they were called out on the Romney quote. Don't stoop.

Good Lord. They are both proposing the same corporate tax cut. They are both proposing to close the same loopholes. Maybe the only difference you can find is that Romney wants to continue the tax cut on higher income which he artfully tried to dodge in the debate by saying he is not going to cut taxes. Spin. Obama wants to discontinue the tax cut on higher income. They are virtually the same, the tax revenues really matter for very little considering the deficit and spending.

There was absolutely no call for the "little girl" statement. Would you have conducted yourself in the same way had a 29 year old woman been standing directly in front of you having this conversation? If you had I can guarantee this conversation would have gone no further. It is certainly ironic when someone resorting to name calling uses terms like "little girl" in their efforts to belittle. Name calling is immature right? And "little girls" are biologically immature, correct? There's your irony.

You accused someone of misquoting when they did not while implementing your own spin on the really awful comments that Romney made. What is that term people throw around on here? Apologist? Low income does not mean dependent on the government. We all believe we pay too much in taxes, correct? Are we all entitled and irresponsible feeding at the government trough?

According to Romney 47% are dependent upon government, believe that they are victims, believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, and to boot all, this 47% pays no taxes.
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That's not what he said. [posted by Sue T]

Yes, it is what he said, Sue T.
PatchFan has it right. It is a very close paraphrase of exactly what he said, have YOU not listened to the video?
Transcript of remarks by Mitt Romney on “Obama voters” during a fundraiser held at the Boca Raton home of Marc Leder, Co-CEO of Sun Capital Partners Inc., in May 2012:*The remarks were apparently recorded without Romney’s knowledge, and the footage was obtained and published by MotherJones.com.
ROMNEY'S WORDS:
“There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.And I mean the President starts off with 49, 49…he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. 47% of Americans pay no income tax.."

Sue T
Did you even listen to the debate? He said that there are cuts, that are off-set by the elimination of deductions.

But which deductions? That's a secret, right?
And what's with the "little girl" comment, pretty condescending, right? Or should we all just refer to you as BIG GIRL?

SueT said: No one has yet to confirm the $5 Trillion het except the Obama campain.

I think Sue is saying No one has yet to confirm the $5trillion CUT except the Obama CAMPAIGN.
Politifact says
President Obama said Mitt Romney seeks a $5 trillion tax cut.
The $5 trillion figure accounts for only half of Romney’s plan -- and it's cumulative over 10 years. The governor says he will offset those lost revenues by reducing tax deductions and eliminating loopholes. However, he has never said what those changes would be.
We rate the statement Half True.

Rommey is in the lead with 51% of the votes, obama doesn't even have 40% of the votes now. People are truly finding out that obama isn't there to help Americans, create jobs, he is just worried about his golf games, vacations at our expense. I bet if he gets elected again by the time he is out of office after 8 years his vacations and golf games will cost American over a Trillion.

What is your source?

Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney and President Obama each attracting support from 48% of voters nationwide. Two percent (2%) prefer some other candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

obamas first two years in office he had both the house and senate with a democratic majority and yet what did he do, nothing. once again a democrat gets it so wrong but then lies and tries to blame everyone else. if obama gets elected again he can blame the economy on the last administration and to find that all he will have to do is look in the mirror. I'm surprised that obama hasn't blamed George Washington and the rest of the Presidents of the United States. obama, when they write about him 20 years from now is going to be known as the only president that ever had our rating drop because he is a do nothing president just like carter.

Canonsburg?

Well, it is a very partisan problem. I should have said it is a problem that should be gaining nonpartisan attention.

More evidence of obstructionism in a failing congress and how Obama responded:

"The biggest recent change in the policy and economic environment results from the budget deal that President Obama signed into law on August 2, 2011 (Pub. L. No. 112-25). The Budget Control Act of 2011 reduces the deficit in two phases. First, discretionary spending caps and program integrity initiatives reduce the deficit by a cumulative amount of $895 billion over ten years (CBO 2011b). Second, automatic enforcement procedures, including sequestration and lower discretionary spending caps, will reduce the 10-year deficit by an additional approximately $1.0 trillion (CBO 2012a). The automatic cuts became effective because a bipartisan Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction created by the debt deal was unable to reach agreement last year on alternative ways to reduce the deficit."

From the Brookings paper linked above.

And it goes onto to say that CBO's predictions are based on congress doing "basically nothing" meaning that things like the tax cuts with expiration dates _will_ expire. This seems like an important thing to consider when quoting the CBO.

Ok, I have read the whole paper now. There are charts at the bottom which are helpful but it is important to know the distinction between the 3 budgets analyzed: CBO Baseline, Extended Policy, and Obama Admin Budget.

CBO: Looks like they operate based on "current law" which means that tax cuts set to expire will expire. It also goes along with the Budget Control Act which phase two will probably not happen. It was more of a threat to congress when they refused to pass a budget. Mandatory expending is assumed to continue (TARP was considered mandatory spending).

Extended Policy: Current spending and tax cuts are assumed to be extended.

Obama: Example includes his defense spending which cuts Overseas Contingency Spending (eg: spending in Afghanistan) and raises core defense spending by a little bit (5 billion in comparison with cut of around 45 billion to overseas).

The CBO shows the greatest reduction to the deficit, Obama is in the middle, and extended policy is the worst.

Wouldn't it be great if we could put Romney's plan against this? We cannot effectively bc we do not know exactly what to figure in as far as tax cuts and spending cuts etc. The Bush Era tax cuts did affect all household incomes. Romney wants to extend these permanently plus increase cuts across the board. Obama wants to continue tax cuts for household incomes less than 250,000/yr. You decide where that fits in.