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Staff Cuts, Furloughs Help Baldwin-Whitehall Balance its Budget

Some teaching and other staff positions will be eliminated for 2012-13.

 

The Baldwin-Whitehall School Board rejected a proposal by B-W School District administrators at a meeting on Wednesday night to raise district taxes, opting instead for no tax increase.

But proposal rejections by the school board were still rare on Wednesday, as the board also approved the elimination of several teaching and other staff positions in Baldwin-Whitehall in order to balance its 2012-13 budget.

Gone for 2012-13 are the positions of director of pupil services, assistant transportation manager and technology department technician. And the employees assigned to those positions—Virginia Deasy, David Sparrow and Paul Huwalt, respectively—have each been furloughed.

Also eliminated were one English, science and social studies teacher at J.E. Harrison Middle School; the half-time equivalent of a district-wide nursing position; 1.5 full-time equivalents of custodial positions at Baldwin High School, one full-time equivalent of custodial positions at J.E. Harrison Middle; 0.5 full-time equivalents of custodial positions at McAnnulty Elementary School; one full-time equivalent of custodial positions at W.R. Paynter Elementary School; 0.75 full-time equivalents of custodial positions at Whitehall Elementary School; one full-time equivalent of custodial positions at the Wallace Building; and a secretarial position at Baldwin High.

Those cuts will cause more employees to be furloughed. The exact individuals to meet that fate will be in accordance with the district's collective bargaining agreements.

The board did reject a proposal to eliminate one district-wide maintenance position, meaning that that position will be kept.

None of Wednesday's decisions came easy for the board, which twice went into closed, executive sessions that night—the first for 48 minutes and the other for 10.

The pupil services position was cut by a 7-2 vote with board members Diana Kazour and Ray Rosing voting 'no.' The transportation position was cut by a 6-3 vote with Kazour, Tracy Macek and Larry Pantuso voting 'no.' And the technology position was cut by a 7-2 vote with Kazour and Macek opposed.

An item combining the teaching and nursing cuts and another item regarding the secretarial cut were both approved by 9-0 votes, but votes for custodial and maintenance cuts were split—7-2 in favor of custodial cuts and 6-3 against the maintenance cut.

Kazour and Pantuso voted against both the custodial and maintenance cuts. They were joined in keeping the maintenance position by Macek, Rosing, George L. Pry and Nancy Sciulli DiNardo.

Sciulli DiNardo stressed that the decision to eliminate any position in the district is always a hard one to make.

"They are not easy decisions for any one of us," she said, quipping later that some of the employees set to be furloughed "used to be our friends prior to our vote."

She then supported the board's decisions by saying, "We cannot continue to be everything for everybody."

With the exception of saving the maintenance position, Sciulli DiNardo and Pry voted "yes" to all other proposed staff cuts and furloughs on Wednesday night. Fellow board members Nancy Lee Crowder, Kevin J. Fischer and board President John B. Schmotzer voted "yes" to every cut and furlough.

Schmotzer has defended the staff cuts, saying that they do "not reduce any education programs whatsoever."

Dr. Randal A. Lutz, who will become the district's head superintendent on July 1, called the administration's recommended budget, which included the cuts, "the right thing to do" and "the responsible thing to do."

"These section reductions are not cuts to programs," Lutz said in regard to the teaching cuts specifically, citing factors like "student population" and "student grade level counts" as the reasons for staff reductions.

"Some years, you have larger classes that are rolling through, and you need to add teachers," he said. "Other years, you have smaller classes that roll through, and then, not as many sections are necessary.

"This is something that, actually, is a process that we follow every single year."

He added that the nursing cut will only affect how Baldwin-Whitehall will staff approved private schools in the district, not the public schools that are overseen by district administrators.

As for the custodial cuts, Schmotzer said that none of those positions is currently filled by a full-time employee.

But Baldwin High custodian Jeffrey Pfaff, of Lucy Drive in Baldwin Borough, used public comments time near the beginning of Wednesday's meeting to speak against the proposed cuts to the high school's custodial staff.

Pfaff said that the high school, in his opinion, is "not cleaned properly" and "not taken care of properly."

Nevertheless, the board elected to cut custodial staffing at Baldwin H.S. by 1.5 full-time position equivalents.

Check back with the Baldwin-Whitehall Patch later on Thursday for more odds and ends from Wednesday night's school board meeting.

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Related Topics: Baldwin Borough, Baldwin High School, Baldwin Township, Baldwin-Whitehall School Board, Baldwin-Whitehall School District Office, David Sparrow, J.E. Harrison Middle School, McAnnulty Elementary School, Paul Huwalt, and Virginia Deasy

ResidentTaxpayer

1:53 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012

While I appreciate the fact that the school board did not raise the tax, it is always sad to see the "little" persons losing their jobs, especially in this time of high unemployment and the prospects of finding jobs is a difficult one. I know it would NEVER happen, but wouldn't it be nice if our very well compensated administrators took a pay cut or had their salaries FROZEN to help one or two grunt workers who have been eliminated keep their jobs. They have families to support as well.

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cc

11:07 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

according to someone, there is no high unemployment because obama has made trillions of jobs and solved this problem.

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Fighting Highlander

9:31 am on Monday, June 18, 2012

The administrators took a pay freeze last year (2011-12). If the teachers took a pay freeze like other school districts did, then that would save much more money. The top scale teachers make more money that the building administrators.

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Jean Smith

1:09 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Fighting Highlander, this past winter the School Board Members and Dean of Student voted themselves a pay raise . I am with you that they all should have pay freezes.

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Fighting Highlander

1:44 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Jean, yes they took a one year freeze and then continued back to their normal increase from what I see. They still took a pay freeze that they didn't need to take. Look at Upper St. Clair and other school districts where their teachers stepped to the plate and took a pay freeze. You can't point the fingers just to the top all the time. School teachers at the top of the scale make almost twice as much as some of the administrators in the school district who work 12 months.

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Common Sense

1:59 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

The BWSD is one of the lower paying districts when it comes to pay. They did take a freeze, but I am sure if you took the averages of these positions that it would be lower then most other AAAA schools.

Jean Smith

4:07 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012

I would of rather had a raise in taxes than to lay these teachers off. Laying off of teachers puts more students in classes. Why not lay off 2 School Administrators or cut their pay by 20 %. They cut the Technology Budget for the school district , but other schools added more money to theirs, which does not make sense to me. We were promised back in May that they would not get rid of a nurse but they did. With cutting teachers how are we going to compete with other school districts around us.

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Sally Houser

9:57 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012

Cutting technicians and the technology budget to replace computers will make Baldwin fall behind the other schools and people who want a education for their children that will prepare them for life. They will be forced to move into a district that respects technology and the people that work hard for them.

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JustMe

5:13 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Sally I so agree there about the technology budget. Computers didn't work last year at the high school. During the second semester their license ran out on what the kids were working on in robotics and the kids didn't get to finish their work. I got emails back and forth with the teacher about this and he said his hands were tied then as there wasn't money to renew the license.

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Sally Houser

7:41 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Have you looked at how many staff members were in the Technology department?
They were already severely understaffed with a high school that has to have a thousand computers. They have one person there and one at harrison. There are only two technicians positions before the cut so what is the remaing person supposed to take care of all of our schools? I see more problems that are going to cause so many problems for our kids. Its going to directly affect their classes and they wont leave with anthing because you can have one person take care of all of that these people are crazy and apparently very ignorant. To many others the Dean of students do other things besides coach. Cutting these postions would not help any budget issues they are small fruit. There are other people to focus on that would actually make an impact on the district in a positive way.

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Vas

3:05 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

haha more silliness. I am fine with them raising taxes as long as it is yours not mine.

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cc

8:51 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

Vas it isn't silliness when our school rating keeps on dropping because they take away from our kids education. Our kids are so far behind in classes now when they are trying to get into CCAC. They have to take high school Math, English and Science before they can earn college credits. Our Technical Dept is a joke, most of the computers up the High School are broken. The kids are on web sites that they shouldn't be on because they don't have enough staff to monitor what they are doing. I see the day coming soon when were going to get slammed with our taxes being raised 2 mills at one time. I would rather have it raised gradually then slammed all at one time.

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Robert Edward Healy, III

4:09 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012

In case some of you are missing this part:

"He (Lutz) added that the nursing cut will only affect how Baldwin-Whitehall will staff approved private schools in the district, not the public schools that are overseen by district administrators."

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Jean Smith

8:59 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

There is a big difference between a Private School and Catholic School. Also Catholic schools hire their own nurse, were as Private schools depend on public schools to supply them.

Private schools, also known as independent schools, are not administered by local, state or national governments; thus, they retain the right to select their students and are funded in whole or in part by charging their students tuition, rather than relying on public (state) funds.
While Catholic schools are education ministries of the Roman Catholic Church. Presently, the Church operates the world's largest non-governmental school system. These schools aim to develop their students through participation in the sacramental life of the Church, study of religion and theology, a full curriculum in secular subjects, and a variety of extracurricular activities.
AND school uniforms are often a requirement for students in Catholic schools.

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Robert Edward Healy, III

4:55 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012

'Pay to Play,' Promotions & Other Leftovers from a June 13 B-W School Board Mtg.: http://patch.com/A-vhJq

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Sally Houser

10:20 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012

Schmotzer said that the cuts would not reduce any education programs whatsoever. I find this very hard to believe when they are cutting staff that provides the materials for these programs. We all know that any technology program will have a direct impact by these cuts.

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Jean Smith

10:00 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Did you actually think Schmotzer would tell the truth. He lied when he said that he was saving the tax payers 43,000. In fact some of the perks of the job that he said he was saving money on weren't even offered to him like healthcare because he wasn't serving a whole year. We need new school board members and a whole new Administration that will put our students education first.

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Robert Edward Healy, III

10:25 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012

Sally,
I had to take out part of one of your comments that accuses a specific board member of having a conflict of interest. The rest of your comment was as follows:
"Admistrators take pay cuts? They just gave themselves raises. Not to mention they approved more positions when they could have not filled them. Cutting positions and proposing to cut more what about the administrators that make 100+? Instead they will lay people off that have jobs that provide things for students. I noticed a technician position was cut so what does that mean for my kids who are taking technology based courses? How was this a rational decision? I think the adminsitrators are taking an easy way out. Notice the maintenance position wasnt cut so somehow cutting grass is more important than the computers that are teaching my kids. How does the district expect students to take technology courses and prepare for the real world if they cut a position and stop buying technology? Old computers that wont work with no staff to fix. Administrators really know what they are doing, running this district right into the ground. Great Job!"

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Kenneth Weber

12:14 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Do we now have a definite description of what these two created Dean of Students positions entail? Are these positions really necessary in these tough economic times?

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Robert Edward Healy, III

10:29 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Kenneth, this should define the position for you: http://patch.com/A-rmS5.

JustMe

5:17 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Dean of Student Positions are another name for coaches for our school district.

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Concerned

9:45 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Well our coach, I mean Dean just received tenure so it looks like that position is here to stay.

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Jean Smith

10:05 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

I wish we had a like button on here.

Kenneth Weber

10:46 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Robert:

That link tells me nothing. It tells me about the individual at Harrison Middle School and how he should be lucky to have his position. I was looking for the defined terms from the school board meeting. Any insight there?

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Robert Edward Healy, III

2:26 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

I will inquire as to what the district's job definition is.

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Jean Smith

10:07 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Dean of Students equal 2 coaches for Baldwin School District at a fat paycheck. How much does a coach make vs how much a Dean of Students is going to be paid.

Paula Lim

10:52 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Wouldn't it be far easier to get rid of Tom Corporate who chooses to give Royal Dutch Shell a $1.7 BILLION tax break for locating her rather than ruining our schools, environment and medical care in the state? Shell makes billions of profits on a yearly basis, it's CEO gets paid $25 M per year, and had already started locating workers her for said "cracker"plant 6 months ago. Hmmm. Seems like they were ALREADY planning to locate here. In the NYT, they stated that they don't really need the the big tax subsidy from PA and plan to sell it and plan to sell it off for cash, Nice, huh? while we lose valuable school personnel who need their jobs to survive!

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Jean Smith

10:28 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Pennsylvania competed with Ohio and West Virginia for the planned ethane-cracking plant and all three states included tax breaks in their proposals. In March, Shell announced that it had picked a site near Monaca, about 35 miles northwest of Pittsburgh, and signed a land-option agreement so it can further evaluate the site.
The "cracker" facility would convert ethane from natural gas produced in the Marcellus Shale region into more profitable chemicals such as ethylene, which is used in making products that include plastics, tires and footwear. Shell has said it could spend billions of dollars on the project, which is expected to draw other companies to the area, although actual construction is still years away.

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bd

7:21 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Paula - Why weren't you critical of all the grants given to businesses by Gov. Rendell? He gave hundreds of millions of our dollars to a foreign corporation to set up shop at the Philadelphia Navy Yard (Kvaerner) and big tax credits to allow his buddies at Comcast to build an office tower in Philly. And there's more besides this. Where was the outrage then?

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JustMe

10:34 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

bd I so agree with you there on what Gov Rendell did to us in Pennsylvania when he was Governor. But since he was a Democrat, people want to overlook it as they think that Democrats are for the working class. They are all GREEDY, no matter if your a Democrat or REPUBLICAN. They are all for tax cuts and never mind the hard working families.

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Fighting Highlander

9:42 am on Monday, June 18, 2012

According to the board minutes, the Dean of Students at the middle school replaced one of the vice principal positions. By the board approving the Dean of Students position at the middle school, it saved the district over $60,000 the first two years.

Michael Dobs

11:46 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

He made tenure, because he has just now been a teacher long enough... I thought to become tenured for your teaching cert. You had to be observed by an administrator "teaching" how and an administrator be observed doing this? But he is a non-union position so the position is not hear to stay... It can be eliminated at any time with no cause.

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Schmidt

2:15 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

We, the taxpayers, should make sure that this position IS ELIMINATED. We DO NOT need this position .... let's all get make sure the board knows this. I am tired of paying taxes to take care of political favors of our school board members. We all know who they are .. I don't even have to name them.

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Jean Smith

10:33 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Schmidt I totally agree with you. But do you actually think the school board will even let us speak at a meeting? How much does a coach get paid in the school district vs how much money he is going to get for being Dean of Coaching. Now we will have two Dean of Coaching in the school district.

Concerned

12:25 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

It doesn't matter if the position is eliminated. I'm sure another one would be found so we wouldn't lose our "coach".

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Robert Edward Healy, III

2:27 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Schmidt, I had to delete one of your comments for accusing specific board members of doing favors.

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Sheryl S.

11:33 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Robert ..... I read Schnidt's comments and, even with you eliminating the names, we ALL know who Schmidt would be referring to .........

And we all know that they trade the favors .... how else could one school board member resign because she worked for a former 22nd district rep who is now the Country Controller ... her husband basically takes her place on the school board and holds her spot for her ..... our school board creates a position of dean of students and amazingly the brother of the county controller gets the job ..... the father of the dean of students and county controller endorses our former school board member for the 22nd district position that our county controller left ..... the school board member who is holding the job for his wife while she is doing whatever, well he decides to resign .... so, hmmm, who gets that position back? None other than the school board member who left in the first place. JUST ABOUT EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN THIS DISTRICT KNOWS EXACTLY THE NAMES THAT SCHMIDT MUST HAVE SAID IN HIS COMMENTS. No worries, I won't name them here.

Sally Houser

7:48 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

As hard working tax payers i dont want to see any hard working class people lose their jobs. I want to see the administrators that make 3 x what these people make to get creative do their jobs and find other ways, before you know it Baldwin-Whitehall will be the last place anyone wants to send their kids.

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NB resident

11:43 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Well it seems that the school board needs to be replaced by responsible adults that can make the tough decisions, if they want to cut education instead of making responsible and small tax increases them they need replaced

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JustMe

10:54 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

I would love to see ALL PARENTS refused to send their children back to school on August 28, 2012 until our School Board and Administrators take a 20% PAY and put a freeze on their salaries for 5 years. Put more money back into Technology and get rid of the TWO DEAN of FOOTBALL opps Student. Teachers are allowed to strike, why can't our students stay out of school till they figure a way to make our CHILDRENS EDUCATION better. I would more than happy to walk a picket line for all of the students in Baldwin/Whitehall School District.

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Sheryl S.

11:46 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

JustMe .... If I still had kids in this district I would absolutely do that. However, my kids are out finally and I could not be happier that I am not having to deal with the some of the incomptent people who are employed by us, the taxpayers ... espeically the administrators and teachers who should not be in this field of education. I am not saying all of the teachers ... but there are a great deal who are useless but have tenure so they are kept. I am pleased to see Ms. Deasy will be gone. When my oldest was in primary school I had to beg the district to evaluate her for special education assistance. They refused. I had her privately evaluated and paid a handsome price for that. I came back at the district with the paperwork and only then with the threat of taking it to a lawyer/media was my daughter placed for learning assistance. The district had a summer program that no one knew about for kids who lost so much during the summer months. No one tells you this. Someone leaked it to me and begged me NOT to divulge where I learned it. I thank that teacher to this day for his help. My daughter attended these summer classes for a few years only after I requested and proved to them that she needed this. You would think our so called educators would realize this as this is their field of expertise so they claim. There is so much that parents are not let known that is available to students .. fight for your children and their education. STRIKE!! THEY DO!

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Fighting Highlander

9:38 am on Monday, June 18, 2012

According to the minutes, one of them isn't coaching football any longer.

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Fighting Highlander

9:43 am on Monday, June 18, 2012

This is ridiculous! I guess when you don't agree with what your boss says you just don't go to work? What lesson are you teaching your child by doing this?

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Billee

1:46 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Maybe technology funding for public education will be government standard in the near future and will not have to be pulled from district funds. The district did move to online registrations. Who knows what our future holds?
School board is not a paid service. Administrators should receive proper pay for their services. In my opinion any human being with a education and half a heart knows at the end of the day if they have done their BEST to serve the people under there care! Let them do their jobs! Because at the end of the day they have to be accountable for their own actions. If are going to sleep at night and not doing what is right and just for our children don't let their unjust actions IF ANY ANGER YOU! Because in the end you let it take PRECIOUS TIME from you and your families. We need to use our energies to keep our FAMILIES STRONG and give them OUR BEST and not worry about people who MAY not be doing so! Keeping your children out of school only hurts them not the district! There is a old saying from one of my favorite books IF IT PERTAINS TO A SITUATION - Don't share your precious pearls with the swine! Also be as shrew as a snake and gentle as a dove! Be on guard at all times if possible that way you don't have to STRIKE! You can just change your direction and the coarse of your future in a healthy strong direction.

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Fighting Highlander

1:52 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

I like what you are saying Billee! Too much focus on the bad and not enough on the good. All school districts are facing tough times and compared to other disricts it seems like ours is doing better then most.

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Common Sense

1:57 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Not send your children to school? Justme needs to take a chill pill.

JustMe

9:16 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Yes Sheryl, I totally understand what you are saying, they kicked a good friend of mines child out of his IEP because of test they said they gave her son (which he doesn't even remember doing) and they say he excelled on it. She requested an IEE at the schools expense and the principle had a fit about the expense of this. After he had his IEE, they found out that he was working at 4 and 5 grade level in all classes and still wouldn't reinstate his IEP. She had to hire an attorney and got a 504 Plan in place for him. They never suggested the summer classes that your daughter took as they don't want the burden of paying for these classes for students who truly need help. I know every time she has a problem with Baldwin School District, she gets in touch with a child advocate attorney. I would be spreading the information that you know about the summer school program for children that have learning disabilities . I learned from my friend that if your child does have an IEP you should also have an IEE done on your child so that you know if Baldwin Whitehall School District is telling you the truth and your child is getting the education that they deserve. No Child Should Be Left Behind, but the students in Baldwin are left behind.

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Robert Edward Healy, III

1:12 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

I feel the need to point out here that school board members are serving on a volunteer basis. They would not have received any pay raise.

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Jean Smith

7:28 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Thanks Robert, they don't receive a pay but if I am correct they do turn in receipts if they are on School Business.

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Robert Edward Healy, III

8:07 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Correct, Jean. They can be reimbursed for such matters.

Common Sense

1:54 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

I think that some people need to bury their hatchets. It seems to me as some people are posting based on some hear say and not all of the facts.

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cc

9:40 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

Common Sense the fact is that they are taking away from our children education not improving on classes, adding more into technology and what the students need. Our children who apply at CCAC and upon taking the entrance test are finding out that they are way behind the other students and they have to take 1 or 2 semesters of English, Math, Algebra or Science which should of been taught in High School. Students aren't getting the classes that they need and by dropping more teachers and cutting classes our children will fall farther behind.

Wayne C

2:06 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

No football coach then means no need for dean position?

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Jean Smith

7:38 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

The Dean of Students position is here to stay since I don't see them cutting the football team at the school. I honestly would of rather had a hike in my school taxes then for them to cut positions and the Technology Budget.

Wayne C

2:12 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

After reading all the comments, don't administrators and top scaled teachers make about the same? Where do teachers make double the administrators? That isn't right.

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Common Sense

8:53 am on Wednesday, June 20, 2012

Wayne, I don't think it is twice as much that was probably stretching it by Fighting Highlander.

The top of the scale teachers make over 90k where some of the 12 month administrators don't make close to 90k even though they work roughly 50 or so more days then teachers.

I believe you can find all of the salaries of teachers and school employees on a website. It would be interesting to compare salaries with the different large schools in the surrounding areas.

Jean Smith

8:56 pm on Wednesday, June 20, 2012

If teachers are there for all Professional Development Days and take one class every 5 years then their teaching Certificate does not go to inactive.

The traditional route to becoming a public school teacher involves completing a bachelor's degree from a teacher education program and then obtaining a license. However, most States now offer alternative routes to licensure for those who have a college degree in other fields. Private school teachers do not have to be licensed but still need a bachelor's degree. A bachelor's degree may not be needed by preschool teachers and vocational education teachers, who need experience in their field rather than a specific degree.

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cc

10:13 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

Funny story that parents took over for striking teaching in New York City some years back and then joined the teachers on the picket line. Funny but no proof that this happen at all.

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cc

9:29 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012

Parents to protest over Sinfin teachers strike

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Parents-protest-teachers-strike/story-11579005-detail/story.html
PARENTS of children at a Derby school are to stage a protest march about teachers going on strike.

Sinfin Community School will close for three days next week in what will be the longest strike in Derbyshire's education history.

Teachers at the school are angry about plans to turn it into an academy, opting out of local authority control.

But parents argue that the strike will put their children's education at risk.

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cc

9:35 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012

ml, there are many stories on the net about parents that protest and picket because teachers are greedy in wanting 25% and above in pay raises and squawk at them having to pay a portion of their own health insurance. These teachers want to make big bucks so let them pay their own insurance , their own pension and take a 1% to 2 1/2 % pay raise like the rest of American's get. How many years was it now that people collecting Social Security didn't get a raise and they insulted them this year with the lousy pay increase that they got since obama was in office.

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cc

9:42 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012

Common Sense, our school district is on a downhill spiral and has been since this administration and school board has been in place. They think about themselves and not the students that they are hurting. Our students who graduate and going to CCAC have to take courses that they should of been taught in High School and have to pay for these classes and don't get credits for them because they can't pass their entrance test. Go call CCAC ans ask them and i'm sure you won't like what you hear, that the students that apply from Baldwin High School are way behind other school districts.

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Common Sense

11:28 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012

CC, you said 2.5% pay raises was normal for most professions, so I can't see why their is so much madness over the admin 3% raises who work 12 months. The teachers get about the same raise and work 10 months. They also cut an admin position at the last board meeting from what I understand.

There also could be a reason some students are going to CCAC...

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Common Sense

10:01 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

ML, I don't have anything against CCAC and think that community college is the right option for people. However, those who have trouble getting accepted into major colleges right out of high school who also attend CCAC.. That is why I made the comment that maybe some of these people are going to CCAC.

CC, Baldwin doesn't hire cream of the crop teachers??? How do you even know this is true? The truth of the matter is that there are several hundred applicants for one teaching position at every school district in Allegheny County. You interview the candidates and then sometimes they teach a lesson and a lot of times you don't get the whole picture from a few interviews. The process is difficult and is done the same way other professions do their hiring.

cc

9:44 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012

Baldwin doesn't hire the cream of the crop teachers, they tend to hire from the bottom of the barrel.

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BaldwinMom

10:48 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

As the parent of two graduates of Baldwin who both have attended CCAC, I can tell you for a FACT that Baldwin does NOT prepare students for college; that is, not ALL students who wish to attend college. Perhaps the straight A students, because, of course, they NEED it, don't they. But the students who are in learning support are encouraged to go to a vocational school or just get a job and live with it, because they feel that is all they will accomplish. I experienced that. My son was a learning support student and they had us to go Steel Center. We went. Not interested. They told me he should go there. I said no. He went to CCAC where he had a rough start because he was not prepared from high school. He had to take and PAY for classes he should have had at Baldwin that my tax dollars pay for. After he took these classes he has blossomed and had been on the Dean's List for 5 semesters in a row. No thanks to Baldwin. PARENTS; WAKE UP. UNLESS YOUR KID IS ONE OF THEIR SO CALLED "GIFTED" STUDENTS, THEY DO NOT CARE. STAY ON TOP OF THINGS; BE INVOLVED; MAKE SURE THEY KNOW YOUR NAME. THIS IS THE ONLY CHANCE YOUR KID HAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. THEY DON'T CARE .. AS LONG AS THEY ARE GETTING PAID, THEIR DAYS OFF, THEIR HEALTHCARE PAID FOR, THEIR SUMMERS OFF, THEY DO NOT CARE. I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW GLAD I AM I HAVE NO MORE OF MY CHILDREN IN THIS HORRIBLE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SAD THING IS IS THAT I HAVE TO PAY THE OUTRAGEOUS SCHOOL TAXES UNTIL I SELL MY HOME TO SOMEONE.

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Common Sense

3:13 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

Baldwin Mom, I am glad that your children did well. Some students need more time to develop and CCAC is perfect for them or students who are undecided or financially can't afford to go away right away. There is nothing wrong with going to CCAC.

Baldwin gave your children possibly 13 years of education and I'm sure that something they learned helped them make the Deans list.

I don't have any children in the school system yet, but I am a Baldwin grad and so is the rest of my family and my sons will be as well. I am proud to be a Baldwin grad and it's certain people like you and the rest of the people that point the finger at others and complain too much.

BaldwinMom

10:55 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD ..... THESE WERE THE COUNSELORS, ETC. AT CCAC WHO INFORMED US THAT OUR KIDS WERE NOT PREPARED TO GO TO CCAC BECAUSE OF THE POOR TEST SCORES AND THE FACT THAT CERTAIN MATH, ENGLISH CLASSES WERE NOT GIVEN. They told me that they get more kids from BALDWIN than any other district who are not prepared, who don't have the basic skills, etc. How pathetic is that? Oh yes, there are those from Baldwin who go on to good schools and have what they need and God bless them that they might be smarter or work a little harder. But why do we let these others who want to go further with their education, why do we let them slip through the cracks?

I have nothing good to say about the school board, administration and 98% of the teachers in the district. There are and have been some decent teachers and we were lucky to get a few along the way. There was even a teacher, back about 10 years ago who actually told me about the summer program for kids with learning disabilities. He said no one was privy to it but he wanted me to know so that I could demand it for my son. He swore me to secrecy because if it came out that he told me about this he could be punished and lose his job. Why are we not made aware of the programs (if any) that are available to our students? I never gave up this man's name and never will. He cared.

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cc

5:20 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

Common Sense and ML know it all about the school and are the experts on everything. How dare you tell someone to move. Our school district is a joke, starting with the administration down to the Cream of the Crop teachers you think are in the school district. They hire the bottom of the barrel because teachers don't want to come to Baldwin.

Baldwin Mom, they have to take high school classes at Pitt, Penn State, Clarion, etc also, because Baldwin doesn't prepare our students for college, they are just greedy people that want big fat pay raises for doing nothing and that is what they do nothing. Neither one of these people have kids in Baldwin but they are experts. Since 1998 Baldwin drops every year in Ratings and I give it another 5 years and they will be at the end of the list. Thank goodness that their are great Cyber Schools and Charter Schools around as many parents are pulling their children out of the district. Maybe ML and Common Sense should of been down a the Charter School Open House down in Homestead. There was more parents from Baldwin then any other school district there and none of the parents had anything nice to say about Baldwin and the school district.

Common Sense

3:04 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

If you think the grass is greener on the other side than move!

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Jean Smith

11:33 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

Very ignorant but your answer doesn't surprise me at all. So glad you and ml can solve all the worlds problems. Maybe the two of you should move on your own personal island so the real would won't hit you in the face head on. For 2 people that doesn't have children in school, your both an expert on all the classes, teachers and everything else that goes on up at the school.

Janet

8:37 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

I apologize in advance to anyone I may offend with this comment. The cuts have been made, it's obviously a done deal. So why do you continue to bash the school district? Instead of bashing the district or others for their opinion, why not focus on getting parents/taxpayers involved to go to the August 3rd meeting to voice your opinions/concerns to the school board? I do have children still attending school in this district. If comments like Baldwin doesn't prepare the students for college is true, then I would think (only my personal opinion), parents would be packing the board room voicing their concerns. We all know when the board meetings get jammed packed with parents/concerns it gets the school boards attention. I just don't see where attacking individuals is getting anyone. I will say, I just think some individuals do just like stirring the pot to give them something to do when they get on the computer.

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Barbara Ri.

9:58 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

Why apologize? Who are these people offending by telling the truth about their kids' years at the district schools, in particular the grand high school on the hill. I couldn't agree more with their statements actually. My daughter attended Baldwin and graduated in 08. She went on to IUP. She also had to take an English and a Math course that they said she needed. So there was extra tuition money for her education I had not expected. But it was paid for her education. When it came time to send my younger daughter to high school I decided to send her to Seton where we pay big bucks for her tuition but she helps out with working. We decided not to send her to Baldwin so that she might get the better education in Seton and that was our choice, I know. And I realize there are those students who will come out of there who are able to do anything, who are better than when they entered, who are (in their parents and some teachers minds) "little geniuses" and that is a wonderful thing. But we need to focus on those kids who seem to fall through the cracks, who also deserve to come out of there better and more educated than when they entered. Those kids deserve the education just as much as little Susie Einstein or the son or daughter of a school board member or a teacher. I applaud these parents for coming forward, even if some feel it is an attack of some sort, to say how Baldwin turns out some graduates. These are our kids ... fight for each one!

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Janet

1:11 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

Barbara my point is that these same parents do not go and fill the board room for meetings about their concerns. They're quick to put their comments on the Patch, but won't attend public meetings to get the word out to the public right in front of the school board members. Yes it is so much easier and less effort to put out of our busy schedules to post something on the Patch than go to a meeting, but if it is that important to a parent they somehow find a way to attend a meeting to get the boards attention.

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