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No Duquesne City Students in Baldwin-Whitehall ... at Least for Now

B-W officials reject a voluntary acceptance of Duquesne students.

 

Baldwin-Whitehall School District officials will not voluntarily accept students from the Duquesne City School District—a decision that B-W Superintendent Dr. Randal A. Lutz made known at Wednesday night's B-W School Board meeting.

But that's not to say that Duquesne City students couldn't end up in Baldwin-Whitehall's public schools one day.

Duquesne students in grades 7 through 12 are currently enrolled in the nearby West Mifflin Area and East Allegheny school districts thanks to mandates handed down by the Pennsylvania Department of Education. And should future legislation occur that causes a similar mandate for Duquesne students in kindergarten through sixth grade, those K-6 students would be sent out-of-district, as well, including, perhaps, to Baldwin-Whitehall.

Dr. Paul B. Long, the chief recovery officer for the Duquesne City School District, prefers for school districts to accept Duquesne students voluntarily, and he sent a letter to the Baldwin-Whitehall superintendent in February asking if B-W would be interested in just that.

Baldwin-Whitehall was offered approximately $8,000 in tuition per Duquesne student per year, but on Wednesday, Lutz said that it is against B-W School District policy to accept students on a tuition basis.

"Additionally," Lutz said, "current state law does not provide for the acceptance of students, or the transfer of students, between districts. So, at this point, the district is unable to participate in the Duquesne recovery plan, and that will be the message that we will send back to Dr. Long."

No B-W board member commented on the Duquesne topic during Wednesday's meeting.

In an interview after the meeting, B-W solicitor Ed Lawrence supported Lutz's assertion that it would take new legislative action for Duquesne's K-6 students to end up out of Duquesne, as its 7-12 students are.

"There were laws passed by the legislature that provided for that," Lawrence said of the older students' placement. "It provided specifically that those students would transfer to those specific school districts."

The impetus for Long's recovery plan is economic hardship in Duquesne, a small city found along the Monongahela River in Allegheny County and about 10 miles east of the B-W School District Office.

"Financially, the (Duquesne) school district is enduring a depressed local tax base and a stagnant revenue budget," Long's Duquesne recovery plan states. "Moreover, the district faces the statewide challenges of escalating contributions to the Public School Employees' Retirement System and increasing medical benefit expenses. Also, both the professional staff and support staff collective bargaining agreements are currently up for renegotiation."

State Secretary of Education Ronald J. Tomalis declared the Duquesne School District to be in financial recovery status in November, eventually leading to the appointment of Long as Duquesne's chief recovery officer and the February publishing of Long's recovery plan.

Lawrence called the $8,000 per student offer "low-balling it, really, a lot."

"It would be less than the cost of educating the kids," Lawrence said.

In an earlier interview, Lutz told Patch that the current cost of educating an elementary student in Baldwin-Whitehall is around $9,500 per year. He also said that that cost could rise if the district ends up with an influx of underachieving students since those students would need extra attention and remediation. (The Duquesne City School District has faired very poorly in recent years on the state's standardized exams.)

"I think it's the best plan that they (the state) could come up with given circumstances because they're circumstances that are just beyond anyone's control," Lutz said of Duquesne's K-6 students possibly going out-of-district. "And what's so sad is that there's about 350 children that need a place to get an adequate education.

"I liken it to years ago when the (Baldwin-Whitehall) district was dealing with a lot of ESL (English-as-a-second-language) students. And you had the 'lost boys' from the Sudan. You've heard that story about the lost boys because no one wanted them. And I kind of feel the same thing about Duquesne because here they are as an elementary entity that is crying out for someone to take these kids.

"How do we address a school district that is not meeting with success? It is very sad. There are no easy answers out there."

But Lutz said that he has too many questions to feel comfortable with volunteering Baldwin-Whitehall as a place for the Duquesne students to come to.

"While it may be what's best for Duquesne, I just have great concerns about it from a Baldwin-Whitehall School District point of view."

Among Lutz's concerns are increasing class sizes in Baldwin-Whitehall, especially at W.R. Paynter Elementary School, which is the closest school in physical distance to Duquesne; transportation strategy; how Duquesne students' standardized test scores will be calculated; and what Duquesne's special needs students' funding would be.

Check back with the Baldwin-Whitehall Patch on Thursday for more news from Wednesday night's school board meeting.

Read through other Baldwin-Whitehall School Board items here.

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Related Topics: Baldwin Borough, Baldwin Township, Baldwin-Whitehall School Board, Baldwin-Whitehall School District Office, Duquesne City School District, J.E. Harrison Middle School, McAnnulty Elementary School, W.R. Paynter Elementary School, Whitehall Borough, and Whitehall Elementary School

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Robert Edward Healy, III

2:06 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Please be mindful of others' feelings when you comment and please be cordial to one another.

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NE12Ukid

9:34 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

I never realized that B-W did not accept ANY tuition students, interesting.

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NE12Ukid

3:24 pm on Monday, May 20, 2013

Seems "someone" erased their comment claiming BW does not accept any tuition students, would this mean that they do accept tuition students, like most districts do?

cc

9:34 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

It is the teachers unions that are breaking school districts. Duquesne is a depressed area and instead of their teachers taking cuts in pays and paying towards their own benefits the union fought it for bigger salaries and more towards benefits. I feel sorry for these kids as no one wants them. All children deserve a good education.

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BW-resident

11:07 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

CC, maybe instead of telling others that they should take a pay cut, perhaps you should volunteer yourself for a pay cut. How about 15%? We'll set up a save the Duquesne schools account, and you can be the first to give it your fair part.

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cc

11:03 am on Friday, March 8, 2013

BW-resident, I have taken a pay cuts over the last two years. I also pay for my own medical, my own pension. Thanks to our government and how greedy they are, most companies are asking their employees to take pay cuts, which teachers bark about doing.

Also BW-resident as long as you want me to add 15% to Duquesne School Account, I expect to see you match the money that I put into it.

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cc

12:20 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

ne12ukid, your the one that needs the violin, as I don't. Thank goodness I don't live a pathetic life as you do.

Sandra

9:35 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

I wonder if Young Scholars Charter school is still accepting new students. That would be a win/win for all involved.

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FF19

10:01 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Sandra- I agree with you that a charter school could be an option. In reading other articles about this event, I believe they were looking into a local charter for these kids. However, there was no success so far. Anyhow, to bus those kids from Duquense to Young Scholars in Baldwin Township would be a 35-40 minute bus ride each way. To bus them to Paynter would probably be a 30 minute ride each way. I back Dr. Randy on this as more resources would be needed to help these kids and $8,000 will not cover it and as a taxpayer I would fight it as we pay for more than enough remediation, ESL and other programs without additional help from the State or Federal Governments. As CC said, I hope a good solution is found as the kids have the odds against them and they deserve a good eductaion.

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cc

11:04 am on Friday, March 8, 2013

From what I understand Young Scholars has a waiting list for students as parents are opting to pull their children from Baldwin School District.

Jim

10:01 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

I feel bad for those kids, because ultimately they are the ones who always suffer and lose out in situations like this, however, I do agree with Lutz and their decision. My daughter currently goes to Paynter and he is right the classrooms are already crowded and I feel this would affect the overall learning experience for current students there as well. More students means less attention to the students who are already there. Its a tough situation for these kids but those current teachers need to accept more responsibility for these kids and step up and do the right things to ensure the success of these kids...isnt that ultimately where the responsibility lies ? (along with their own parents of course)

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Robert Edward Healy, III

10:03 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Please note that Dr. Lutz did not say that Paynter's classrooms are already crowded.

RM

10:01 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Thank you Dr. Lutz!!!!!!! This is a sad situation for the city of DUQ, but not our problem, and we do not need to do this and bring our property value down by making the school district have more issues than we already do. Bravo Dr. Lutz, a class act!

On a side note, if anything we should absorb Brentwood and use the Brentwood HS/MS for the new BW middle school!

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cc

11:04 am on Friday, March 8, 2013

RM this would not bring down our property value by letting these children come to our school district as it did not bring down West Mifflins property value when Pennsylvania Dept of Education made them take in students from Duquesne.

Why should Baldwin School District absorb Brentwood School District, not that Brentwood would allow this? Why not absorb the Duquesne School District instead??

RM

10:13 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Oh and one more thing, we never did take tuition students in BW. So, if you live on the Brentwood and Baldwin border for example and wanted your kid to go to BW, you are out of luck, it is just the way it has always been, and it is probably enough for BW to handle the kids in our own district. I have known various people who got caught living in Brentwood or the City and attending BW, and had to move or go to the correct district, it is just how it is. Probably some athletic restrictions on this too, because a district could just cherry pick out the best kids from the city and give them a "scholarship".

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11:05 am on Friday, March 8, 2013

It is the same for all school district in PA that you can't live in one area and pay to go to another school district. Unless the PA Board of Education steps in. I can't see anyone wanting to send their child to Baldwin School District that lives elsewhere and using someone mailing address as living there.

Now when you register your child for school you have to bring proof of where your living either by a lease or papers from the home you own.

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Jordan G.

7:01 pm on Monday, May 20, 2013

I did not know property values could be any lower than they are in West Mifflin.

kris

10:14 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

@cc Where are you getting your information from? Duquesne teachers are the lowest paid teachers in the county and they probably have the toughest jobs in the county. In addition they are paying into their own benefits. Maybe you should quit attacking people that are out there trying to help kids and do something about the problem of education and poverty yourself.

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cc

11:05 am on Friday, March 8, 2013

Teachers in Duquesne School District make $77,409 a year for working 195 days per year.

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FF19

1:38 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Here are the Duquesne teachers salaries as of 2010. However, I can't confirm they are the lowest paid- http://php.app.com/PAteachers10/search.php Use the link and filter to Duquense City SD.

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NE12Ukid

4:11 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

thanks, that makes it clear that most of them are making 40-50K annual, not 77K.

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cc

7:44 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Bob, That figure came from a friends who's daughter is a teacher at the school district. They aren't at the bottom of the barrel of teachers pays in Allegheny County or the State.

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NE12Ukid

10:19 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

That 77K figure is the CAREER RATE, it is not what all the teachers make, as the linked listing shows clearly.
The lowest career rates in Allegheny County ARE in high-poverty districts, Wilkinsburg, where career rate teachers earn $75,570;
Duquesne, with a career rate of $77,409 ;
and Sto-Rox, with a career rate of $78,180.
Many teachers in all districts make less than the career rate, because of the number of years it takes to reach career rate. Usually about 20 years with the same district.

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cc

7:40 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

Once again a friends daughter is making exactly $77,409 in the Duquesne School District. Since NE12Ukid does not know this person, they don't know what they are talking about. Then again this person doesn't know much about anything.

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Sam Miller

1:34 pm on Monday, May 20, 2013

Lowest paid teachers? Have you ever seen the test scores of these students ,they rank almost at the bottom of the list in Pa.... bad teachers=bad test scores? Might be a link here.

Chris

12:31 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Why not send the Duquesne students to City of Pittsburgh schools? Declining enrollment in their schools should welcome these students.

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Chris

3:28 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

City Of PGH high schools- Oliver, Schenley, and Peabody closed

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NE12Ukid

5:29 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

PPS has closed 40 schools since 2003.

NB resident

8:57 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Sending these kids any where other than West Mifflin or Mckeesport or Steel Valley is unfair to them and their parents. The schools I mentioned are close to them, to bus them far from there homes where the parents would have a hard time seeing their extra circular activities is unfair to all of them. Whats wrong with the school close to Duquesne. And dont give me the AYP speech, a lot of schools do not meet AYP they could still get a good education at any of those schools close to them.

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Jon Wain

12:02 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Listen all you ney sayers out there . These children deserve the best education they can get. They should be given the chance to grow up amongst the more fortunate kids their own age. Why is everyone so selfish. Let them infiltrae Mt. Lebanon and Upptidy St Clair.

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Marie S.

7:27 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

If I knew that Duquesne kids were going to BWSD I would not have bought a house here. Yes it will bring the value of our homes down & possibly the quality of the education provided. & If the teachers are making $50,000 a year for what 10 months work? That is a Fair salary. I certainly hope teachers in BWSD are not making $70 grand that would be crazy. Don't tell me if they are I don't want to know....

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cc

7:44 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

I have no problem with Students from Duquesne going to Baldwin as long as they are paying the school district to teach them. All children deserve an education.

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NE12Ukid

10:22 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Marie, what would you suggest paying a professional with multiple degrees and 20+ years of experience?
You get what you pay for.
How much are your kids worth?

Marie S.

7:27 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

I just looked at the link above, $80 grand a year to teach art to little kids? What the heck? That is just CRAZY! I knew I should not have looked, I am now beyond irritated.

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cc

7:44 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Marie I agree with you about the salaries of teachers and the perks they get. A lot of them can't teach but are getting big buck for nothing.

NE12Ukid

9:55 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

It is the same for all school district in PA that you can't live in one area and pay to go to another school district.>>>>

Not correct for all districts.

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7:40 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

Once again incorrect, it takes the Pennsylvania Board of Education to allow students from one district attend another district. When the State steps in, very little money is given to the school district to teach students from other districts.

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LeonA

8:57 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

Several other districts have taken tuition students in the past, possibly still do. I know three people who did not live in Pittsburgh who chose to send their children to Pittsburgh schools, and one family that lived in S. Baldwin, but paid tuition to go to South Park.

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LeonA

8:57 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

Non-Resident Students
If you are not a resident in the City of Pittsburgh or the Borough of Mt. Oliver, and are interested in tuition rates for enrolling your child
in Pittsburgh Public Schools, please call (412) 622-7920.
http://www.pps.k12.pa.us/1431105115023673/lib/1431105115023673/PPS_Offerings_and_Options_2012_FINAL.pdf

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cc

10:10 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

I see another personality showed up

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Jordan G.

6:51 pm on Monday, May 20, 2013

In the BW School District ..... there are homes along McNeilly Road in the City of Pittsburgh ... those kids DO go to the BW schools. Do the parents pay tuition? Do the parents pay their school taxes to the city or Baldwin?

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Robert Edward Healy, III

7:00 pm on Monday, May 20, 2013

Jordan, in the case of a resident living in one municipality but a different school district, taxes are paid to each entity.

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NE12Ukid

9:49 pm on Monday, May 20, 2013

I do know of a family that lived near 'the border' on Becks Run and had their kids in BW schools, but were actually living in Pittsburgh. They got caught, and were told they'd have to leave or pay tuition. They left BW schools, and enrolled the children in PPS.

Marie S.

11:43 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

What are my kids worth? Really what kind of a question is that? That's funny; you sound like a politician. I'm not buying it or justifying that silly question with an answer.
But I will tell you that $80 grand is too much money and the years that some one has been in the profession does not equate to being good at theirs jobs. $80 grand, summers off and they don't pay for their own health insurance? I have been in my field almost 25 years, I have two Bachelors degrees, multiple certifications, I work year round and pay for my families health insurance and I make no where near 80 grand. By the way I'm an RN, what's your health worth to you? Guess I should have gone into teaching...

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cc

7:40 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

The grass is always greener for NE12Ukid as it has been a rocket scientist to a teacher. It knows all about everything but little about nothing.

Margaret French

12:35 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013

Agreed Marie S. Btw, now do you see why some on here don't care for NE12Ukid? He/she had another smart mouth remark to you on another topic here.

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10:16 am on Monday, March 11, 2013

Marie S and Margaret you both got it right about NE12Ukid. It has appointed itself Sheriff of the Patch. MattA hit it on the nail about this person in another post, which Bob did not remove.

NE12Ukid should be banned from the site then again, it will just use one of the many different names it has.

If your making 80 grand a year, you can pay for your own perks -medical and your own pension and quit crying boo hoo after all you don't work more than 190 days a year. Teachers who under perform should be fired.

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cc

10:16 am on Monday, March 11, 2013

ne12ukid, you attack others but do not like it in return. get the violin out as your having a pity party for yourself again. boohoohoo. Matt A sure has it right about you.

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cc

10:16 am on Monday, March 11, 2013

LOL NE12Ukid attacks people yet doesn't like when it is pointed out about its attacking others. Delusional and definitely needs to go back on its medications or have the one it is taking increased.

Margaret how many neighbors do you think actually talk to ne12ukid?

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cc

10:52 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013

ne12ukid, you are always on the attack of other people. You never have anything nice to say, but then again don't expect anything better from you. Have a nice lonely life as your living now.

Rayann

11:21 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013

I'm going to be honest. I don't want these kids in our school district. My husband and I work very hard to live here and pay taxes. These are our schools! Our kids attend them, and we don't need more problems than we already have. I do feel bad for the kids. Maybe their parents should move, or get jobs and demand changes in their own area. BW wouldn't be what it is, if people sat on their collective butts, and did nothing! Maybe it's time for other people to work towards that goal!

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12:21 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

Rayann, these children have parents that probably worked hard for their homes, pay taxes just as you and everyone else did. Most of the people that live/lived in the Duquesne area worked in the mills. When they shut down, business went away in the area. I haven't read any articles that these kids from that area are trouble makers, terrorizing. They are children that deserve an education. It isn't easy selling a home in a depressed area either. Most of these parents there do have jobs and want better for their children as you want for yours. There are many people in Baldwin/Whitehall who sit on their collective butts and collect their entitlement checks, yet us as tax payers are supporting them. Duquesne is offering to pay for these student to come to Baldwin Whitehall School System. What happens when they petition Pennsylvania Board of Education and they force Baldwin to take these children say with no money being paid to the school district. West Mifflin and North Allegheny schools from what I heard are at full capacity for students, so they are trying to find another school district close so these kids don't have to sit hours on buses.

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BaldwinGrad85

12:22 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

Rayann, I couldnt agree more with you.. They should go to the City Schools, They are messed up Already so it wont hurt anything.. Call your State Rep and Senators:
State Rep William C. Kortz
5101 Old Clairton Road
Pittsburgh, PA 15236
Phone: (412) 886-2870
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State Rep: Erin C. Molchany
900 Brookline Blvd
Pittsburgh, PA 15226
(412) 343-2094
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State Senator Matt Smith
319 Castle Shannon Blvd.
Pittsburgh, PA 15234
(412) 571-2169
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Rep: Harry Readshaw
1917 Brownsville Road
Pittsburgh, PA 15210
(412) 881-4208
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Senator Jay Costa
1501 Ardmore Blvd.
Pittsburgh, PA 15221
(412) 241-6690
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Please call these guys and let them know..

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cc

5:48 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

BaldwinGrad85 - Baldwin Whitehall School District isn't were it was 10 years ago either. Our kids are being left behind as we cut money from academics -Technology in half, where other schools are increasing the money for technology. Bethel Park build a new school and they are so far advance the Baldwin Whitehall. Most schools around exceed the education of our children. We need a new School Board who can say NO to the Administration that we need more money into Education then planting flowers, and fixing up the outside of our schools. Our kids deserve the best but they are not getting it as long as this school board is in office.

Margaret French

1:59 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

cc- in answer to your question.. I doubt there are very many. I know I wouldn't bother with anyone with an attitude like that.

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Margaret French

1:59 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013

I have read MattA's comments about him/her here on other topics and he does have it right... he hit the nail right on the head.

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cc

10:16 am on Monday, March 11, 2013

Margaret its other personality showed up on here LeonA, wonder when the others will show up so that it can complement itself on what it post.

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cc

1:00 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

poor ne12ukid, when people point out what an idiot you are, you bring out your many personalities.

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cc

7:47 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

ne12ukid delusional, think you need to go to the pharmacy and get your meds.

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