REVISED: New Teachers Contract in Baldwin-Whitehall?
And other important notes from an Aug. 8 school board meeting.
REVISED: Memorandums of Understanding Approved
The Baldwin-Whitehall School Board and the Baldwin-Whitehall Education Association (teachers union) agreed to memorandums of understanding (MOUs) on Wednesday night as the next step toward a new labor contract.
Specifics regarding the MOUs were not made available to the general public, but the board approved them by an 8-0 vote. (Board member Nancy Lee Crowder was absent.)
REVISION (Aug. 10, 1:30 p.m.): The MOUs approved on Wednesday are revisions to a current contract with the teachers union and are not officially part of any possible new contract.
Deasy Returns
Virginia Deasy, once the B-W School District's director of pupil services, has been recalled from a furlough to fill a vacant special education teaching position in the district.
Deasy was furloughed on June 13 when her former position was eliminated to help balance B-W's 2012-13 budget.
She will earn $51,931 per year in her new position, as decided by the school board by a 7-1 vote. Board member Nancy Sciulli DiNardo cast the lone "no" vote.
School Lunch Prices Increase
As expected, the school board approved a 10-cent price increase for school lunches at both the district's elementary and secondary levels.
The vote was 8-0.
Read more about the cost increase here.
The Online Academy Coming
Also as expected, the board approved a contract with The Online Academy for use of its software program aimed at instructing the district's alternative education students.
The vote was 7-1. Sciulli DiNardo voted "no."
Read more about the software program here.
New Process for Student Board Reps?
The school board is considering a revision to its policy that determines how student board representatives come to be.
At a later date, the board will vote whether or not to accept the following revision:
"Beginning with the 2013-14 school year, new student representatives will be selected through a grade level election process. Once elected, a student representative's term will continue until high school graduation, unless the representative is removed for cause."
The district's current policy calls for student board reps to be nominated by district administration.
Read about the board debate leading to this proposed revision here.
New Extracurricular Eligibility Policies Passed in Baldwin-Whitehall
Read here.
Workers' Compensation Changes Likely for B-W School District
Read here.
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Robert Edward Healy, III
1:35 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
REVISION: The MOUs approved on Wednesday are revisions to a current contract with the teachers union and are not officially part of any possible new contract.
Kristin
1:50 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
What school will Virginia Deasy be teaching in?
Robert Edward Healy, III
1:58 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
If she's headed to a specific school, Kristin, that information was not made available on Wednesday.
NB resident
6:00 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Why can the public not know what is in the MOU's? We pay their salaries and we fund this district. There should be nothing to hide, with the exception of personnel records. I want to know the what is in theses MOU's. There needs to be more openness with this. At a time where the district needed to lay off several workers, we the public deserve to know what the district is agreeing to with the unions of this district. I wish the patch could or would file an open rights record request and publish what the board is hiding from the public. These back door deals are the problems that arise later and force tax increases because we pander to a few people that want more, more , more. It needs to stop
cc
9:14 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Our school board loves to hide everything from the tax payers. That is the Baldwin/Whitehall way and had been since this school board has been in place. My sister is on Peters School Board and they don't hide behind closed doors and keep everything hushed up. The PSSA scores are also out and i'm surprised that nothing was said.
I hope the students get to vote on who represents them at School Board Meetings, should of been the students voting instead of the School Board choosing family members.
KMan
6:40 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I agree. These BACKDOOR politics need to stop. As people who fund their salaries we have a right to know what is written in MOU's. Sounds like another shady deal that the taxpayers will be responsible for paying for. We can correct this though on election day by voting out the current school board members.
cc
9:38 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Rob do you have any idea when the teachers contract is up.
Robert Edward Healy, III
10:09 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Dr. Lutz says 2015. Call me Bob.
Billee
12:06 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
From what I understand the Academic Strategic Action plan is due in 2014. Hopefully they will bring this Academic Strategic Action Plan to the teachers negotiation table for discussion of developing 21st century teachers evaluations within the classroom before the contract is finalized in 2015.
The only way I see to achieve this goal with the changing needs in education is more engaged observations in the classroom with the parents being WELCOME when warranted... not all PARENTS are out to get the teachers. Parents are allowed to do so now however with the up-most respect its not a welcomed practice in my opinion. Put language in contracts to protect teachers while more intense classroom observations are in practice to improve academic standards.
cc
2:29 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Why isn't this plan in place for the 2012-2013 school year. Don't these students that are there now and graduating at the end of the year deserve a better education that what BSD is doing now.
Go up to the High School and try going to sit in one of the classes being taught at the high school, you'll never get past the guards desk.
Billee
12:30 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Again with no disrespect intended - classroom visitations are permitted under Baldwin Whitehall School District policy. If I feel the need to observe our children in class and I'm getting push back - I WILL DEMAND IT!
As far as the above - I don't feel the district is hiding anything. In my opinion it's not best business practice to prematurely release - disclose information to the public before the contracts are signed. Even then in some circumstances they are not required to disclose all content... common sense. They are not be hiding anything you just have to go and seek... it's called PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT!
cc
2:31 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I'm glad you don't feel like the school board is hiding anything but they are, i have to laugh at going to visit classrooms while teaching. I know of a few parents that have tried this and they were never allowed past the schools security desk even though it is a right of a parent to do so.
Billee
8:22 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I agree with not being able to visit without clearances... however I'm not a registered sex offender. Until the policy is changed or it is written under standard practice of common law it is my PARENTAL RIGHT to so. I am my first child's teacher. I might be seeing something the district is not. I want to have the districts support not the teachers JOB! I wish they would put it in teacher contracts and district policies that parents have to have clearances for them to be involved with all aspects of children's education. That way it would break down certain BARRIERS in education and still help to PROTECT all parties involved including the child and parents needs for VITAL PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT in the public school system.... that way SEX offenders can't HIDE behind POLICIES. The only way to fix this is change the LAW! Teaming with parents who have clearances might be one of your KEY SOLUTIONS to improve academic strength and acquire INCREASED parental invovment... even if some educators aren't comfortable with the idea. Not to use ones words against themselves... I do always hear we have nothing to hide. At this point if your careers are more than just contracts and jobs back everyone and write and produce PROTECTION policies and or standard LAW with your sincere wants to do so on behalf of our future children.
Tom Barchfeld
2:09 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
The MOUs are part of the current contract, which was approved. There is no reason why the taxpayers, who are footing the bill for all of this, can not know what is in the MOUs.
cc
2:55 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Tom have to agree with you there since it been approved. Guess they don't want us to know what the Dean of Sports are getting paid.
Tom Barchfeld
2:11 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Now that Virginia Deasy has been added, the budget is no longer balanced. If that is the case, then it is a stupid move by the school board.
cc
2:54 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
well they can take the salary of the nurse that retired that they aren't going to replace to pay Deasy. That way this year we will have 4 nurses in 5 schools (what the school board wanted anyways) and then these nurses still have to cover all the private schools in the district on top of it. Great job they did.
Tom Barchfeld
2:16 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
The teacher's union forced union dues, get funneled directly to Democratic candidates for office by the Union bosses. Time to put an end the teacher's union.
cc
4:14 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I agree. Teachers should get cost of living raises like everyone else does on their merits and the bad teachers should be fired. We need to get rid of tenure too. Teachers should not be allowed to strike, you want to walk a picket line then the schools should go out and hire new people to teach. Teachers are over paid to begin with and don't work a full year. They should cut all teachers pay to a certain amount per hour that they are teaching and when not in the classroom then they don't get paid.
BW Taxpayer
10:25 pm on Thursday, September 6, 2012
Actually the teacher's unions are not organized like the steelworkers. They are actually professional organizations. These associations were established to ensure that teachers received fair treatment and were not victims to the whims of school board members (who didn't like a teacher's religion) or administrators with relatives to hire. These associations assured that classrooms were safe for all (including students). They still provide for practices that allow an environment where both teachers and students are able to strive for success (like limiting class size according to child development). Yes, the associations do negotiate contracts that include a salary scale and health benefits, however, teachers do realize the state of the economy and are not trying to bleed the district dry. Believe it or not, quite a few of us live here! It is my tax money, also,
Just to clarify for Mr. Barchfeld-there are no "Union bosses" in our BW schools who push for votes for either party. I have never been approached by any union member or officer in my 20 year career (in 3 DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS) and told to vote for Democrats!
Many of the problems that are recurrent themes in this blog are actually governed by school law-tenure being one. School administrators used to have the first 2 years of a teacher's career to remove an incompetent teacher. I believe it is now 3 years. Within that time, administrators can easily remove that teacher- which I have NEVER seen occur!
Michael Dobs
8:57 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Since CC has it all figured out.... Lets go with his plan 3% raise on an "over paid person" Lets under pay them and pay them as a "babysitter" since it seems that is what he thinks they are.... $8 an hour times 8 hour days....$64 times 25 kids = 1,600 a day... (not including you leave the sitter money for dinner for her and the kids) 180 days $288,000 a year! now with a 3% raise($8640)...$296,640! good thing your not on our school board!
cc
11:46 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
No lets pay a teacher $25 an hour and the pay them the 8 hours a day that comes out to 200 a day and times it by 200 days, because they don't work even that many days a year and that comes out to 40,000 a year. Then give them cost of living raises like everyone else gets. We have so many horrible teachers in Baldwin now that aren't worth the money they are being paid and we need to get rid of tenure.
cc
12:17 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Michael I am still laughing at this as you call the teachers babysitters. Teachers aren't paid to be babysitters they are their to teach our students and don't do a good job of it as our school ranking keeps on dropping. The school already got the results from the PSSA scores and how far did we drop this year.
Tom Barchfeld
10:14 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Unions only lower standards in which the children are getting a worse education than they could be getting.
Mr. Neal
11:30 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Guess they lower standards of our police, fire, EMS, auto workers, giant eagle(some) workers, steel workers ect... what lowers some of these is sending them of the jobs over seas... Walk up to a Baldwin Cop, Whitehall cop or a Baldwin Twp. cop and say they work under lower standards.
cc
11:11 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
It is also tenure that lowers the standards of the education that our children are receiving. Once a teacher has tenure it is very hard to fire them unless a school is cutting classes and departments like the Technology Dept. I know in construction when they work on outages they put NO STRIKE clauses into the contracts between the Unions and Employer. Same should be done with Teachers Contracts, NO STRIKING at all or your job is done with. Tenure needs to go because once a teacher has tenure then were stuck with teachers becoming lax and not doing their jobs and it is our students that suffer, the school district suffers and people pull their students and put them in charter schools or just move out of the area. Teachers should be accessed every year and if they aren't doing their job then hire someone that wants to teach our students.
cc
12:27 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Here are the 2011-2012 Rankings of School in Unions and Right to Work States. Unions do not bring down Rankings nor does "Actually, the states that have unions show higher test results than the so called "right to work" states."
1. Vermont Union
2 Connecticut Union
3. Massachusetts Union
4. New Jersey Union
5. Maine Union
6. Minnesota Union
7. Virginia Right to Work
8. Wisconsin Union
9. Montana Union
10. New York Union
11. Pennsylvania Union
12. Nebraska Right to Work
13. Kansas Right to Work
14. Iowa Right to Work
15. New Hampshire Union
16. Rhode Island Union
17. Wyoming Right to Work
18. South Dakota Right to Work
19. Maryland Union
20. North Dakota Right to Work
(Continue)
cc
12:27 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
21. Missouri Union
22. North Carolina Right to Work
23. Colorado Union
24. Texas Right to Work
25. Delaware Union
26. Indiana Right to Work
27. Michigan Union
28. Idaho Right to Work
29. South Carolina Right to Work
30. Washington Union
31. Ohio Union
32. Illinois Union
33. Utah Right to Work
34. West Virginia Union
35. Kentucky Union
36. Florida Right to Work
37. Arkansas Right to Work
38. Oregon Union
39. Oklahoma Right to Work
40. Georgia Right to Work
41. Tennessee Right to Work
42. Hawaii Union
43. Alabama Right to Work
44. Alaska Union
45. Louisiana Right to Work
46. California Union
47. Nevada Right to Work
48. New Mexico Union
49. Mississippi Right to Work
50. Arizona Right to Work
NE12Ukid
11:57 pm on Thursday, September 6, 2012
cc, what does that long list have to do with test scores? And what is your source for that list, you didn't plagerize it, did you? Pot, kettle, eh cc?
Tom Barchfeld
10:16 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
The budget problem is caused by pensions, which were approved by previous school boards.
cc
12:53 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Most companies stopped pensions and now have 401K and they match up to a percentage. We need to do the same as the private sector done with pensions. Would save the school district money that can be used towards our students education.
cc
3:13 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
teachers don't pay that much towards their pension. It is the citizens of Pennsylvania that are paying over 97% of their outrageous pensions. They should also get their pensions at a retirement age 65. This would be a big saving on the Tax Payer.
Tom Barchfeld
10:18 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Obama's stimulus only refunded union pension funds which were emptied to contribute to Obama's 2008 Presidential campaign.
cc
3:15 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Tom so true. You understand how Unions work and how they hid things from their members.
me
11:09 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Tom, the teachers paid their portion of the their pension obligation (7%/yr), however, in 1991, school districts across PA asked the legislature for a stay on contributing their matching portion to the pension fund. This went on for 10 years! The districts again asked for another 10 year stay in 2001 and received it and so have not contributed to the pension fund for 20 years. Meanwhile, teachers have paid their share expecting that districts would, in good faith, catch up. The districts never paid in, legislators (i.e. democrats and republican politicians) continued to increase their salaries, and now you want teachers to forfeit the money they paid in? That's wrong!
cc
4:06 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
teachers pay 5.5 to 6.5 percent of their pensions in Pennsylvania. Teachers pay $5 for a single person, $10 per family toward medical insurance per year.
Michael Dobs
1:24 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Most of you people(not all) who have never sat down with your kids and helped with homework, gone on field trips, went running with your athlete or played and instrument with your band member. Don't know what it's like to be a teacher... Yes there are some bad apples! There are more bad students with bad teachers. Teachers can be the greatest people in some kids lives... Yes more then us as parents!! You think you are the best thing in their life.. Some would trade you for a used hamberger. They have a stressful job. SWPA has an abundance of teachers, the job pays well here this is why they stay... AZ teachers top out at 45K... And you have horrible education. Same with all the south... Have you ever looked at the teachers contract? I have it's able to be found on line... BW teachers make good money towards the end of the their years. You can make 40K vein the manager of McDonald's and that's no 4 year degree, no continuing education, required credits towards a master, or even finishing the master. So put an extra 60K in debt to them for education and your asking to pay then 40k.. HAHA. You would see South Carolina's education system...
cc
9:06 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
I like to know how many people never sat down with their children and didn't do homework with them. Other that the foreigners that can't read or understand English I bet there isn't that many. My child said last year out of the 8 teachers that they had only 3 actually taught and the rest were lousy. Tenor needs to go and teachers need to be held accountable.
I also want to congratulate Peters, Bethel Park, Mt Lebo, Upper St Clair, West Allegheny on their exceptional school district for their PSSA scores for the 2011-2012 school year. These schools really know how to teach their students and our School Board and Administration need to go over to these schools and talk to them about what they are doing right.
cc
9:17 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
By the way South Carolina is a Right To Work state and the base pay for a teacher in 2011 was $47,421. Maybe they should make Pennsylvania a Right To Work State, then maybe Baldwin School District would fire the horrible teachers that they have and bring in Decent Teachers. I know my nephew was so glad to get away from Baldwin School District and is teaching in one of the Better Schools where he is more Appreciated and has a chance of Going further in his Career since he does hold a PHD in Elementary Education and is still in College furthering his Education, not because he has to, but because he wants too.
Michael Dobs
1:33 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
From year to year they have a cost of living raise.... Plus a raise for years of seniority just like many jobs do. Being in the public they can't walk into the bosses office and say I have done a good job, can I have a raise... It has to be set this way. I have heard a district employee (non teacher) what the discussions are... The teachers honored what the administration brought to them. You will not see some big raises as the administration saw in their own pockets. This favorites both sides as a contract should. You have to make the job sweet enough that the smart, out going, great people of this world want to do it... I would not want to deal with most of my neighbor kids for 288K a year. And I bet most people could not do it either. You can't stand dealing with each other on this message board now make it 25 people and give them no manners, bad hygiene, smart mouths and pain in the butt(lack of help from) parents.
Billee
10:06 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Your right - parents are not the only important mentors in the lives of our children... teachers are equally if not more important at times. However the reason for your being is our children. My child - bad apple or not deserves all our representation and protection that we can give... this is the only contract for parenthood like it or not. Some days I don't like it...but true teaching is taking the good with the bad. I was taught as a child to teach the ignorant by good example. Even bad fruit can be useful and fertilize soil..
Billee
10:18 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
When I think of the union and it's brotherhood.. I see a circle of strength that provides protection and is highly intelligent. Every time I see a teacher I see their brotherhood standing by your side....take your bad apples to them.
Billee
10:36 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
The union is powerful with much intelligence. I'm sure their leadership along with school administration can still protect work environment rights you while improving and establishing new academic ideas for implementation of the 21st Century. The much needed Improvements of higher academic standards and the delivery of these standards in the classroom while addressing your bad apples! Recycle the bad apples ( at RISK youth ) instead of wanting to just throw them away. Bad apple lessons have to continually be re taught in today's society... especially in
OUR HOMES! If one wants to hand pick their apples... maybe private tutoring would be a better career choice.
cc
9:29 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Billie how many Bad Apples do Baldwin have in the school district? Unions have nothing to do with teaching. Twice a year every Student should be given a survey on how the teacher is teaching, what improvements can be made, are you learning in class. Sure your going to get a few that will write down no to everything but most children will tell the truth and then the school board and administration can take this information and try to improve on teaching methods. I know two of the top 10 schools in Allegheny County use this as a tool and teachers complained that it wasn't going to work but in essence it did work. Our students are bright, we just need teachers that can teach.
Robert Edward Healy, III
8:18 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Folks, sorry to keep doing this, but without any proof, I have to delete the "offender" posts. Is anyone able to provide documentation that this actually happened?
Michael Dobs
8:44 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
http://www.pameganslaw.state.pa.us/SearchResults.aspx type 15236 and you will find him.
cc
5:18 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
If you go into http://www.familywatchdog.us Family Watchdog or http://www.pameganslaw.state.pa.us/SearchResults.aspx State Police and put in the zip codes of 15226, 15227, 15236 or 15234 you can find all the Sex Offenders in our School District. Most people don't know if a sex offender is living next to them as they have never looked.
Billee
10:40 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
"25 people with no manners, bad hygiene,smart mouths and pain in the butt (lack of help from) parents." Is it any wonder why some parents don't want certain teachers with these types of qualities and submit letters of suggestion for reconsideration of academic placement. No wonder parental involvement is weak...my point is there are no bad apples (children) just a bunch of adolescents in training to learn and acquire age appropriate social teaching and grace in addition to academics. Take a good look in the mirror! I know it's not easy however you were young once yourself... can anyone say tolerance?
cc
12:12 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Maybe they should teach Hygiene in Health Class as they did years ago. Now they teach about Sex and Sexually Transmitted Diseases, CPR, Drug and Healthy Living (Food and Exercising). Some of the ESL students came from countries that didn't have water like what we do in the United States and baths were rare. These students need to be taught Hygiene and Heath Class should be teaching this. Have you ever stood in line behind a family of ESL, and you have to leave the line because they don't know about Hygiene. Parents are our children first teachers and it it the parents that should teach their children manners from a early age and how to respect others Students, Adults and Teachers. Back in the day if you disrespected a teacher you were sent to the office and had to stay after school for detention and they called the parents. Maybe Baldwin Whitehall School District needs to do the same now. We also have teacher at Baldwin with no respect for students and I told all of my children that is the teacher disrespects you then get up and walk down to the office and report the teacher. Our Students deserve as much respect as they should be giving the teachers.
Billee
10:46 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Unions are part of the structure and process of teaching in teaming with our administration, teachers and school board.
Tom Barchfeld
6:29 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
ML, you must be a lying Democrat.
BW Taxpayer
10:47 pm on Thursday, September 6, 2012
First, it seems to be that this blog is a location for the SAME people to make the SAME comments-even if the topic starts as a result of the article it just seems to dissolve into unfounded attacks on teachers and insults to those bloggers who do not agree in lockstep with their opinion. Every time I look at this blog- i remember why I rarely visit this site.
By the way, those who criticize other bloggers lack of quotes or footnotes should begin to check their spelling, grammar and actual meaning of assessed vs accessed. Also, you might want to check the ranking of South Carolina schools-usually in the bottom 3 in the United States and their salary scale-top of the scale in some counties is only $55,000.
Robert Edward Healy, III
12:04 am on Friday, September 7, 2012
A point of clarification. I realize that this is just semantics to some people, but the B-W Patch is not a blog. We host some blogs in our "Local Voices" section, but we're a news source.
Not all news websites are blogs.
Not a big deal, but I wanted to point it out.
Robert Edward Healy, III
8:55 am on Friday, September 7, 2012
No problem, ML. It's semantics I know, but I wanted to clarify that. Not all news websites are blogs. In fact, some would argue that blogs aren't really news since most blogs are rooted in personal opinion. Our stories (maybe 95 percent of them) are not.
NE12Ukid
12:20 am on Friday, September 7, 2012
ML
8:43 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Actually, the states that have unions show higher test results than the so called "right to work" states.
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Interesting assertion.
Seems to be true.
NAEP site has the data,
Average 2009 NAEP Score Grouped By State Teacher Contract Laws
States with binding teacher contracts
4th grade: Math 240.0 Reading 220.7
8th grade: Math 282.1 Reading 263.7
States without binding teacher contracts
4th grade: Math 237.7 Reading 217.5
8th grade: Math 281.2 Reading 259.5
5 states ban teachers unions ie do not allow collective bargaining for educators. Their rank on combined SAT and ACT are
SouthCarolina – 50th
North Carolina – 49th
Georgia – 48th
Texas – 47th
Virginia – 44th
Yes, interesting.
Tom Barchfeld
3:49 am on Friday, September 7, 2012
Tell me what my lie was.
Tom Barchfeld
8:40 am on Friday, September 7, 2012
Again, tell me what my lie was?
Matt A.
10:13 am on Friday, September 7, 2012
Tom you should know by now that ml is wrong on everything and always calls others liars when you don't agree with her.