their pro's at dui's and I do hope the officer does recover.

may be they should be practicing instead of spending time at eat and park

Hilary since you seem to know all that went down, why don't you tell the rest of us. Were you there,did you see the who incident happen?

Yes, Hilary, many are quick to judge. I do think pieces of this story are missing. It's just not adding up.

I agree. Even though these men are police officer it doesnt make them above all other human beings who make mistakes. It happens and I find it sick that the man in the house is getting less attetion than the officers who were trying to protect them. It was an accident and it happens to the best of us. We are not above this. No one is, no matter what kind of work we do. The disgusting remarks make me sick and i think people should consider that they were the ones showing up at the door, not the idiots judging the guy who pulled the trigger. It makes me sick to see everyone so quick to judge. Why is the cop that accidently shot his fire arm being made the bad guy. He showed up to work, he got in his car to respond to the call with everyones best interest in mind. He works for a living. There are so many others out there who are much more worthy of this criticism. I believe we deserve to speak our minds but it does make me sick of the lack of support that all of the officers should be getting. Not just the one who was shot... They all are suffering.

You'll find Margaret......just exactly who is and is not on the correct side of the gun issue by merely reading these comments.....gun owners will of course be concerned and wish nothing but a speedy recovery to the officer...but at the same time not let this incident escape the scrutiny it so richly deserves....the sector of society that wants "others" to take care of their respective safety...will avoid commenting or mentioning in any fashion the literal gun aspect of this story....instead preferring to obliquely address the bloody wound and injury as somehow directly linked to a gun...instead of linking it to the careless millisecond it really stemmed from. That same mostly liberal sector is drunk with the fairness doctrine.....and since bullets do not adhere to giving everyone a "fair shot"......guns will always frighten the liberal left nearly to death.

Exactly. You don't care what the whole story is, nor do most of the people on here.

pamy can you give us a list for 2013 where a cop was shot every day? In 2013 there was:
Line of Duty Deaths: 10
Automobile accident: 3
Gunfire: 4
Heart attack: 1
Motorcycle accident: 1
Vehicular assault: 1
By Month
January: 5
February: 5
By State
Arkansas: 1
California: 2
New York: 2
Puerto Rico: 2
Tennessee: 1
Tribal Police: 1
Virginia: 1
By Gender
Male: 8
Female: 2
Statistics
Average age: 44
Average tour of duty: 16 years, 1 month

K9 Line of Duty Deaths: 1
viewGunfire: 1

Read more: http://www.odmp.org/search/year#ixzz2Kgwdsj6c

NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THERE WAS AN OFFICER SHOT EVERY DAY.

Were is your information and proof that a police officer is being shot every day?

Pamy

Here are the statics for 2012

Line of Duty Deaths: 128
9/11 related illness: 1
Aircraft accident: 3
Assault: 1
Automobile accident: 25
Duty related illness: 4
Fall: 2
Gunfire: 48
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 7
Heat exhaustion: 1
Motorcycle accident: 5
Stabbed: 5
Struck by vehicle: 6
Training accident: 2
Vehicle pursuit: 5
Vehicular assault: 11

By Month
January: 18
February: 5
March: 5
April: 8
May: 6
June: 9
July: 13
August: 14
September: 14
October: 10
November: 11
December: 15

By State
Alabama: 3
Arizona: 2
Arkansas: 1
California: 2
Colorado: 6
Connecticut: 1
Florida: 5
Georgia: 7
Hawaii: 2
Illinois: 2
Indiana: 2
Kansas: 2
Kentucky: 4
Louisiana: 5
Maryland: 5
Massachusetts: 4
Michigan: 2
Minnesota: 1
Mississippi: 1
Missouri: 1
Nevada: 2
New Hampshire: 1
New Jersey: 2
New Mexico: 1
New York: 5
North Carolina: 6
Ohio: 3
Oklahoma: 4
Pennsylvania: 5
Puerto Rico: 5
Rhode Island: 1
South Carolina: 1
Tennessee: 2
Texas: 11
U.S. Government: 9
Utah: 2
Virgin Islands: 1
Virginia: 3
Washington: 1
West Virginia: 3
Wisconsin: 2

By Gender
Male: 115
Female: 13

Statistics
Average age: 41
Average tour of duty: 11 years, 11 months

K9 Line of Duty Deaths: 18
viewAutomobile accident: 1
Exposure to toxins: 1
Fall: 1
Gunfire: 6
Heat exhaustion: 8
Struck by vehicle: 1

Read more: http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2012#ixzz2Kgxrkx9L

NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THERE WAS AN OFFICER SHOT EVERY DAY>>>

Of course it doesn't.
a. you posted a list of DEATHS
b. you misquoted what she said anyway.

NorthBaldwinTransplant, you forgot to call Danny a moron because he made spelling errors also. Danny no offense to you but he/she calls everyone morons that can't spell correctly.

Most people in this day and age know how to read typonese. to bad northbaldwintransplant can't read it.

You need to relax. Calling individuals out over grammar in the wake of a serious incident is uncalled for. Others are allowed to voice their opinion. Like many, I would like to know what really went down here. My father in law lives a block away from this incident, and I would really like to know why its been kept so quiet. My prayers go to the officers and the Baldwin Boro police dept. We needed their services once in the past and they were AMAZING. Too many unanswered questions.

NorthBaldwinTransplant- What is really funny to me is that you called people out on their spelling but yet you made mistakes in your post. No need to go into detail. Read back and if you're not a moron as you have called others, you will find the mistakes, correct them, and apologize. Oh, and just a little grammar review, you should not begin a sentence with AND.

NorthBaldwinTransplant, i'm so glad you fit in with all the other morons on the patch as your spelling and grammar isn't correct either. You have many errors in what you wrote and need an F on your posting. MORON

Respectfully...that is a statement driven by fuzzy math. NASCAR comes to mind. Using your approach...then you and I should not be able to buy cars or obtain driver's licenses because we are not trained professional NASCAR drivers. Most law abiding gun owners are responsible people yet your "imagine" statement above elicits pictures of the Wild Wild West. That is not the case....given the scores and scores of millions of responsible owners of firearms across this country. The bottom line is that guns scare people....and that is just exactly what they are supposed to do...and that is just exactly what the founding fathers intended them to do. Guns are supposed to be scary. Guns are not flowers or sticks of incense or lacy frilly blankets.

Patrick have to agree. Any time someone needs an ambulance you hear the sirens no matter what time of the day it is. There was no sirens for the ambulance. A big cover up if you ask me

Best post I've ever seen from you, old man! Well said!!

Get on computer, please. :-)

Patrick you are fine using your phone to post on here. Most people in this day and age can read typonese.

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Street lights had nothing to do with 2 officers firing a gun. Whitehall doesn't have street lights and we don't have officers shooting other officers. Baldwin Borough just has a bunch of officers who don't know how to do any thing except bust DUI's

Margaret, I can hear siren on Baptist in the middle of the night going up to the nursing home by the middle school in the middle of the night, I also have my scanner going 24/7 and listen to Baldwin Township, Mt Lebo, Castle Shannon, Whitehall, Bethel Park and Baldwin Borough.

cc It is just because roads like Baptist would be more likely to have cars on them at that hour. Chances are there wouldn't be any in the way on Elmwood.

Kelly no one said anything bad about Officer Miller, everyone wished him a speedy recovery.

<<BTW when you see officers from Baldwin Borough asleep in their police car, shows how much they actually work, or when they are hanging out at a convenient store for hours on end drinking coffee and eating donuts. >>

So if you're not bashing Officer Miller, with your daily negative comments, which of his brothers in law enforcement are you bashing? And apparently YOU are sitting at a "convenient" store for hours on end or you would not be witness to any such alleged behavior from any of our police officers. Between your hours sitting at the "convenient" store, to your hours up on "brownsville by brentwood" watching drug deals go down, to your hours spent typing up the same story about the old guy with Parkinsons, you sure are spending a lot of time being so sure you are right.
Prayers to all involved and their families.

<<< I also have my scanner going 24/7 and listen to Baldwin Township, Mt Lebo, Castle Shannon, Whitehall, Bethel Park and Baldwin Borough.>>>

Sorry, forgot to add that to your list of daily duties, listening to the scanner while you are patroling "brownsville up by brentwood", staking out the "convenient" store, and posting on Patch. Know this emoticon? @@

Idiot ne12ukid, your not even worth answering, what personality are you today and how many names are you posting on so you can pat yourself on the back as no one else will. LOSER

delusional AND angry
Please don't touch your guns till you get professional help.

It's funny to see people posting under different user names having a conversation with themself. Looks like multiple personality disorder to me.

Sandra you got that right, not sure what personality they are using today as it has so many.

Yes it is a big embarrasment as Baldwin Borough Police only know how to bust DUI's and no one gets hurt. Give them guns and what happens we have Barney Fife shooting their own.

Yes, it is VERY embarrassing to see posts from what should be human beings with brains and hearts, but instead are hate filled showoffs who post garbage such as the error ridden snippets copied above, their own sick efforts to grab the spotlight with their sick and weak attempts.
Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery to the injured officer, and peace to the other officers involved.

NE12Ukid, I didn't have you in mind when I posted about multiple personalities. Others on the other hand...

cc thinks that every poster who disagrees with her must be me, LOL. It's her most obvious delusion, may be somehow linked to that imaginary spot on "Brownsville up by Brentwood" that magically moves into Baldwin Boro during all those drug deals she's witnessing (while listening 24/7 to her police scanner). It was quite annoying at first, I'll admit, but now has become comical IMO. I used to keep a list of all the names she'd accused me of being, I was going to invite them all to a big dinner and then send her a group photo, haha!
As to others, well I know of one who pulled that, and yes, there have been an number of "new" posters who appear to perhaps be talking to themself, but in the long run IMO it's not worth any more attention than many of the comments made. Some are worth considering, some are just plain delusional, and some are obviously just venting. At least that's the way I see it.
Back to the subject, anyone have an update on Officer Miller? Hope he's home and recovering quickly!

Danny someone had to pull the trigger 3 times for the 3 shots that were fired. BPD tried to cover this up at first, but to much info was leaked out and that is why we are just hearing bits and pieces now about the incident. They will never give the public the full truth.

CC... I'm sure you watched the same press conference on TV that I did. It was a mere 7 hrs after the incident and Chief Scott and the superintendent of county police gave us the facts as they knew them, in that it was a friendly fire situation. I don't know how much more prudence you want in terms of reporting the facts. Also, they are apparently taking more time to investigate, which is OK by me. I would rather they take the time to fully investigate the case instead of making rash decisions in the heat of the moment. It seems to me that absent the chief being on camera bedside at the emergency room, you would have something to complain about...

No, she'd still be complaining, that's her role here, maybe her role in life.

Ken R- I did that years ago. Very interesting and OMG what we went through. I could write a book about what goes on. People don't realize how nuts it really is out there.

Ken most that are pulled over for a DUI are pulled over because a tail light or front light is out on the car. Some are accused of being drunk and aren't and have to waste money that they need to live on to fight the charges and get them thrown out at the magistrate level.

Do NOT say MOST unless you have the stats you can copy and paste from somewhere to back up your accusations!

Billie there have been no charges filed against the father as of yet. What about all the domestic calls that come in that someone is verbally abusive, should they also be 302 and have the children removed until the family can be ruled stable again. Happens all the time not just in Baldwin, but all over.

Verbal abuse isn't pleasant. Constant verbal abuse leads to harassment. Grounds for involuntary commitment are verbally stating to hurt yourself and or someone else... failure to file the petition would be negligence and neglect wouldn't it.. grounds for child abuse...failure to provide a safe environment for the children? This is what I personally learned when caring for children through a protection class for care and keeping them. Sorry CC maybe I learned wrong. However I know in my heart what is right... at least for me and mine anyway!

Billie any type of abuse isn't pleasant from Physical, Mental or Verbal Abuse. Many children, boyfriends, girlfriends see this every day.

I agree with keeping all children safe but many can't be kept safe as on one reports this to the required departments. No person or child should have to put up with it, but people who abuse usually have a mind control over the other person and belittle them that they could never make it in the world without them.

The man in the house wasn't threatening to hurt her or the children but to hurt himself.

Billee,

B-W school administration has been consistent with not sharing policies until they become actual policies.

It can be frustrating to not know exactly what the board members are voting on.

Billie this isn't the place to be asking about the School District. You should know by now that Baldwin School District likes to keep everything hushed up. They aren't like the other School Districts around here that let everyone in the community know what is going on and don't hide everything behind closed doors.

Having a knowledge of technology has nothing to do with it as they don't want the Tax Payers and Parents in Baldwin School District to know anything. You would just have to do either a google or yahoo search and you would of gotten your answer.

Thanks Robert...good luck with the new edition of your cabbage patch! I wish your family the best! See you when Lent is over. Until then GO FISH! Saint Valentines Church in Bethel Park has tasty fish...hint hint! ;)

CC if you have the answer about the amendment of understanding please post it. CC are you for real? I say this with a tender heart... Lent isn't until tomorrow and it already smells fishy! :) Does CC stand for Computer Concepts?

Billie are you actually for real. Thank goodness your not posting about abortions on here like you have in the past.

well said Gary

Exactly!!
Let the haters leave this forum for now, PLEASE.

driver, it is not everyone (or even almost everyone) with that attitude, just a few who are the same all the time.
Most here are willing to wait for the investigation and just wish the involved officers well.

By the way, a photo of Sgt. Miller has been added to this story.

and in every inner city shooting involving police gun fire...there is always the neighbor who gets on KDKA or WPXI and blathers on about what a nice boy or a nice person the assailant or the victim was. Using historical and emotional recollections to reflect and deflect the real scenario is a time tested method by those more concerned with NOT finding the real facts and putting them out there so that what really happened....can be really revealed...to those really interested in the real truth. Okay a mistake was made....then does that mean there is nothing left to see here? No....many a farmer has been killed by mistakes in tractor usage. Does that me we stop selling tractors? Or does that mean one has to be a highly trained tractor operator in order to farm? No....what it means is that police do makes mistakes and errors in judgement.....and for those man and woman enough to admit them.....may their futures be bright in other lines of work. There is no guarantee to be a Baldwin police officer....it is just a job...and some are better at it than others. How hard is that to swallow? Not hard at all...and that explains why no one this post is railing about not being the shortstop for the Pittsburgh Pirates...it's because you are not good enough...that's' why.

justice seeker, police officers get training when they bring a new type of gun or riffle into use. They also get recertified every 2 years on weapons.

justice,

What's so "shoddy," my friend?

justice seeker you are right on point! Without knowing you, you either are or were an LEO. I am (not in local area) and have posted on here numerous times out of complete frustration with absurd and ignorant comments made on this forum. I have read this over the last few days and have resisted commenting especially when people are talking "cover up" less than 24 hours into an investigation. cc is the worst but there are many more as has been proven here. And while on the topic of cc..depts. usually qualify with all firearms once a every year at minimum and not every 2 as you threw out there. I have said on the patch before, go to the academy get your ACT 120, apply for a job, go through the process and become an LEO. All you bashers watch TV and think you know BUT you have no idea. So many situations are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving and decisions have to be made in seconds. Less than a hand full of people on the PATCH throw any blame on the suspect in this incident (which by the way had a shot gun outside a window) but the vast majority have been unjustly bashing the officers. Let me inform all of you that unless you know what happened from start to finish then you DO NOT know what happened at all and you can not make any determination. This is what an investigation is for. I would love to go to some of your jobs, watch you and criticize you when I have no working knowledge of your job. This was a horrible accident and I pray for all involved

as the citizens of Baldwin/Whitehall should be! These men and women respond to situations most watch on TV and are ready to serve and protect the community in which they serve. I will leave you all with this..." CITIZENS SLEEP SAFE IN THERE BEDS BECAUSE ROUGH MEN STAND READY IN THE NIGHT TO VISIT VIOLENCE ON THOSE WHO WOULD DO THEM HARM." Again I wish all involved a speedy recovery and return to the job.

Pitt#983, according to the State Site, they only have to be certified every 2 years on guns, not one. It is in their best interest to get additional training as Baldwin thinks it is the Old West and it is ok to just shoot their guns at anyone.

Your comments are also pathetic and your a moron.

But, Justice Seeker, according to a peport in aa newspaper this AM, the officer who shot Sgt. Miller had his patrol rifle at the front door with Miller. Why would that be proper procedure? It seems like the wrong tool for the job.

It was also reported from the wife to 911 that "Officers were sent to the scene after a woman who lives at 5147 Elmwood called police to tell them that her boyfriend, who also lives there, was holding a gun and was threatening to harm himself, Moffatt said.

She eventually told police that her boyfriend had calmed down and was no longer making such threats, but police—the three Baldwin officers and one Whitehall Borough officer—responded to the scene."

This man wasn't trying to hurt his wife or children but was threatening to hurt himself. He also calmed down and wasn't a treat to anyone.

CC, your kidding me right? Like the police should just ignore someone calling and reporting and incident like this and then just because she said "he calmed down" not to check and make sure all is ok at the residence???? and there are children involved!!!!! comments like this really get to me. Wonder if they would have never checked, the man could have harmed them! If that would have happened and the police never investigated, then you would be saying "why didn't they go to investigate". I just cannot believe the comments some people are posting on here. Do you not understand what these officers are going through? I feel for each and every one of them and the dept. as a whole. The BPD/Whitehall had every right to investigate! @justice seeker, you are absolutely right! and I applaud you for all your comments!

but police—the three Baldwin officers and one Whitehall Borough officer—responded to the scene.

So, cc, since you are so sure they should have not responded, why did your Whitehall officer do so?

<<< He also calmed down and wasn't a treat to anyone.>>>

Sure wasn't a treat! This guy initiated the actions that led to all this trouble.

Danny I was responding to justice seeker, as he was calling the mam drunk, the wife did not report that her boyfriend was drunk. she reported that he was threatening to harm himself.

The officers did the correct thing going to the house to make sure the gf and children were ok, but it wasn't all right for an officer to shoot another officer.

cc, I apologize. My post was incorrect. That shooting happened in Nov of 2012. It was a domestic with a gun involved. However, that outcome was different.

Ken I though you meant the one from back in November but then I could of missed an article.

M Smith,

Thank you for writing and for voicing your opinions on this subject. Do you have a particular issue with my reporting?

M Smith do not not expect an answer for your question "Would you rather officers allow people to drive drunk and kill your husbands, wives, children, grandchildren? Damage your property?" I have asked cc that question before and each time it was ignored. But cc will repeat the story of her neighbor who has parkinson's many times.

M Smith, what about the people that get pulled over for a head light or tail light out and then get accused of being drunk and they aren't drunk, but accused anyways. Has happened many of times up in Baldwin.

jwill that should answer your question as the officers of baldwin pull people over and they were not drinking but get accused of dui. joe's mom wrote also the same thing. baldwin borough police are at their finest busting people for dui's and some of them weren't even drinking, but had a tail light or head light out.

Pamy, you also said "shot" not killed. Her two ridiculously long lists are only about deaths not all shootings. She's just here as usual to blow her own horn, but each day more and more readers are tiring of that tune.

pamy no one really knows if they are going to come home from work every day or wake up every morning. You could be driving to work and get hit be another car. You could be walking across the street and be hit. You could have a heart attack during the middle of the night and not wake up. You could be shot at by someone doing a drive by shooting. Only the Big Guy Upstairs can answer that question, as he is the only one that knows when our time is up.

Does it really matter?
if so, why?

I think that the information should come directly from the source. Other people shouldn't be asked in my opinion that are not involved directly. Just my opinion.

I asked multiple councilmen, and Stelmasczyk, seeing that sufficient time had passed and that several other news outlets had already reported that Miller was the injured officer, stepped up to confirm that.

Most reputable news agencies double check facts before they report them. That's not usually the case on the patch. Usually the "breaking news" is the patch copying what another news source is reporting. I guess this fact checking on the part of the patch is a step in the right direction...

I stand by my work regarding this article. All of the information published has been attributed.

Danny - Sorry you have a problem with my statement. As a member of Council, you do get contacted by various news agencies, especially when a crisis like this occurs. Mr. Healy asked me more than 24 hours after the Chief had confirmed the officer who was shot. The initial confirmation did come from the Police Dept. In effect, I was simply re-confirming and since the news had already been released by the Chief, there was no impropriety in my re-confirmation for Mr. Healy's publication.

Mr. Stelmasczyk. I appreciate your response. I don't have a problem with your statement. I was simply asking a question and wanting to know why. I feel like you think I am questioning your authority. I don't care who's name was in the article, If it was anyone except a "Chief of police", I would have questioned. I was not attacking you in any way and I apoligize if it came across that way. Your name was in the article and that is why I quoted it. I just found it odd for some reason that it was coming from a counsil member, but now I have an explanation and I thank you. There are so many individuals on this Patch that make negative statements against the BPD and the borough in general. I think personally its out of control. Its the same several people who continually make uninformed and uneducated statements. They simply are against law enforcement in general. I am fed up with all the negativity.

Well, Danny, I can agree with the last part of your statement for sure! MANY are getting fed up with cc from whitehall's constant bashing of the Baldwin Police Department, over and over, day after day.

I agree! I think he is an excellent reporter.

Bob is an awesome reporter.

Thank you for the kind words, folks.

cc, this delusion of yours is getting as tiresome as your constant bashing of the Baldwin Police.

ne2ukid you and your many names and personalities in delusional. i didn't think you all would get lonely but seems that you do. Why don't you invite all your names and personalities and go hang out at a fire pit.

Great show.