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B-W School Board Splits Vote Over Groundskeeper Position

'We sink thousands and thousands of dollars into these buildings and into the grounds, and if they're not maintained, in 10 years, you're going to be sinking thousands again and again and again.' - board President Nancy Sciulli DiNardo

 

Baldwin-Whitehall's school board members were split almost exactly down the middle over whether or not to bring a new groundskeeper into the B-W School District.

Ultimately, the position was approved by a 5-4 vote; though, no one has yet been hired to fill that position.

Dissenting were Martin Michael Schmotzer, Ray Rosing, Nancy Lee Crowder and Diana Kazour.

"We already have two maintenance men," Schmotzer said during Wednesday night's school board meeting, "and if you add the salaries and the benefits, it's around $170,000. If you add this position with benefits, you're looking at a first-year $76,000 job. I just cannot justify that.

"I think the work should be subbed out to the two maintenance men and/or some custodians around the buildings. We're not running Phipps Conservatory. Our grounds are important to us. Our buildings, our operations are important to us, but you have to draw the line.

"Our student enrollment has plateaued for years, but yet, we continue to add layers and layers of employees. You cannot continue to cut taxes and hold the line on taxes and continue to add personnel."

Fellow board member George L. Pry argued that approving the position does not equate to actually spending the money.

"I believe in this position," Pry said. "I don't necessarily yet believe that we're gonna pay for it until seeing the offsetting justification of the money."

Added board member Kevin J. Fischer, "Who we hire, what we pay still remains to be seen."

But Schmotzer said that a union contract will stipulate what the pay ultimately will be.

After the vote, board President Nancy Sciulli DiNardo said that the new position stems from the investment that the school district has made into its facilities.

"I believe that you have to have a plan in place to keep our facilities where they need to be," Sciulli DiNardo said. "This position is a part of the advisory committee that (Superintendent) Dr. (Randal A.) Lutz has started in regard to our facilities, our buildings, our maintenance plan for everything that we have.

"We sink thousands and thousands of dollars into these buildings and into the grounds, and if they're not maintained, in 10 years, you're going to be sinking thousands again and again and again. So there has to be a plan in place."

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Related Topics: Baldwin Borough, Baldwin High School, Baldwin Township, Baldwin-Whitehall School Board, Baldwin-Whitehall School District Office, Diana Kazour, George L. Pry, J.E. Harrison Middle School, Kevin J. Fischer, and Martin Michael Schmotzer

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9:08 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Terrible, they need to put more money into Education our children instead of worrying about planting flowers. Then the grounds keeper is going to need help with all the work, so that will mean hiring another employee.

Also bet that who ever gets the position will somehow be owed a favor by one of the school board.

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NE12Ukid

12:15 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Seems this could be a seasonal position rather than year round. That would assist the maintenence staff without being as much money spent on "groundskeeping".

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Sandra

9:52 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

I can't believe how high the salary is for a groundskeeping position. Sign me up.

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NE12Ukid

1:10 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

pays to learn a trade, eh?
Of course those figures ARE salary AND benefits, and some benefit calculations make one wonder at times.....

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Robert Edward Healy, III

1:12 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Schmotzer said that the salary would be $54k/yr + 40% benefits.

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2:46 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

There is many more things the school can do with the 75,600 then hire a landscaper. Put the money back into the Technology department.

Dan

10:34 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

REALLY ! What do we have a maintenance dept. for ?? people should start working a full 8 hrs !

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Robert Edward Healy, III

10:44 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Please remember, folks, to not make accusations of malfeasance without providing proof.

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Pappy huppy

7:47 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

"NO WAY TO GROUNDS KEEPER!" Contract landscaper, "YES !" I think your getting a deal with the maintence workers... You Cheap people! Typical comments from people that probably ,lease there car, have the same carpeting from ten years ago , havent painted inside there house in ten years. kitchens never been remodeled . Same appliances ten yrs,etc.... get my point . Maintainence is a everyday job. Pencil pushers need not apply, Do some of your own maintainence but dont frown when someone makes more than you. Your comments are moot point, you get what you pay for.

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Tom Barchfeld

12:16 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

Pappy- Good personal smear post.

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Tom Barchfeld

12:16 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

Pappy - Your post is a personal smear.

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Matt A.

2:46 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Pappy, I have never leased a car, I maintain my home on the inside and out, and do not have any carpets except for throw rugs by the front and back door. What is wrong with having appliances that are 10 year old but still work. You might have money to throw away and buy new appliances every few years, but most elderly people don't have money to waste. This job is a waste of tax payers money as we are already paying for maintenance workers to take care of the schools on the inside and outside.

Margaret French

9:10 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Pappy-FYI I painted my house, the whole inside just over a year ago. I don't have carpets because I don't like them and I do like my hardwood floors. My appliances are all new. I guarantee you my walls have been painted more recent than yours and my appliances are newer than yours. And when it gets nice out I will have my lawn guys cuts my grass. That is still too much for a "grounds keeper." Besides, who is "keeping the grounds" now and what is wrong with what they are doing?

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jaylew

12:16 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

I wonder how many students attend Baldwin High School who have able bodied parents that sit at home all day and collect welfare? I wonder how many of them could push a lawnmower or prune some shrubs? Oh wait PA school districts can only wield their levy authority against real property owners....so never mind...there's no way the school district could force welfare recipients to cut the grass or plant the posies. So the kids of welfare recipients just get to attend Baldwin High School for free.....money for nothing and their books for free. Dire Straits is just about the perfect phrase when it comes to that little part of the public school tax story. The only thing more disconcerting is grandpa and grandma long since having raised their kids...but still paying full property taxes so the kids of welfare parents get to learn "living for free" first hand.
By the way....doesn't the high school have a greenhouse? Why can't the biology students get school credits for raising annual flowers and learning and engaging in proper plant husbandry?
The able bodied welfare parents of Baldwin students will have some excuse for not cutting the high school grass... and I'm sure there is some excuse for the Vo-Tech or Biology students not pitching in either. It's difficult to teach some people that money does not grow on trees....and this grounds keeping job illustrates that difficulty quite well.

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Stephanie Paul

9:57 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Amen! The students can possibly work something into a floral & green volunteer project, & I agree with jaylew on the elderly still paying taxes. But lets not go there! I'm certain insurance would not allow, but why not declare a few volunteer groundskeeping Satudays, as we do for road cleanup. I'd volunteer. How about the rest of us?

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2:46 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Dire Straits – Money For Nothing "The author was in a tv/appliance store an overheard the workers as they watched mtv - talking about how easy music artists had it."

All children deserve an education, and you can thank obama for all the people sitting on welfare now under executive order. Back when Clinton was President, he cut the Welfare spending and people couldn't be life long welfare recipients, they could only collect so long and benefits were cut. obama is for his entitlement programs such as welfare and obamacare so those who voted for him shouldn't have any reason to complain as you wanted him in office for another 4 years.

Tom Barchfeld

12:16 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

I would like to know how many thousands and thousands of dollars have been squandered.

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Tom Barchfeld

12:16 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

Notice how the School Board President say we sink thousands and thousands into this black hole. No, it is the Democrat controlled School Board who has done this.

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Brian Rampolla

9:57 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

The mere fact that Nancy DiNardo and the board majority are even willing to discuss the unbudgeted groundskeeper position is clear evidence they are totally clueless about the district’s true financial condition. Last year the board rejected the ½ mil increase the previous business manager stated was needed to prevent bankruptcy in 2014-2015, which contributed to the $2M required to make up the budget shortfall. This year the board has already determined any tax increase will be restricted to the approximately 2% allowable index, so with increasing costs and likely flat federal and state funding there’s every reason to believe next year’s shortfall will be similar to last years. Prudent fiscal managers would not consider a single dollar of additional spending and in fact would be actively looking to cut current spending to lessen the pain in the next budget. Instead, the long term fiscal stability of this district is in the hands of a number of board members who probably can’t even find the district’s budget on the website let alone understand it.

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2:46 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Brian agree with you there on this. The school board doesn't want homeowners to read the budget and that is why they have it so well hidden on the School's Website. I also see our school taxes going up 2% next year.

I still don't get how people keep on voting them back on the school board.

Tom Barchfeld

5:36 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Groundskeeper in Pittsburgh, PA 15236
$19,000
Average Groundskeeper salaries for job postings in Pittsburgh, PA 15236 are 21% lower than average Groundskeeper salaries for job postings nationwide.
This information is from indeed.com by googling groundskeeper salary.

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Tom Barchfeld

11:46 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

The late Fred Honsberger, KDKA radio talk host, used to always say, buy at the union store and pay triple the normal cost. That is exactly what has happened here with the cost of the groundskeeper salary, which is 3 times higher than normal in this case, dictated by the union. The Democrats support unions and the unions support the Democrats. It is a corruption, and we as the tax payer are forced to foot the bill, with zero benefit to us, just a higher cost. Who is running the school district, the union?

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It just doesn't matter

11:48 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Its time for this Board to get back into the business of how best to educate our kids. They seem to be more concerned with Groundskeepers, Food Service, Transportation....all services that are best left to contractors who have the training and tools to get it done safer, better and cheaper than bringing in house (unless you choose a vendor that saddles us with a contract that loses money like Aramark). Was there any type of analysis to show hiring an in house groundskeeper was more economical? I can't believe the work isn't already being done by someone! I can't wait for the circus to see who gets approved for this position.

As for the 2% tax increase, the District should already see a tax increase with increased assessments. Its deja vu with the last increase. The board raised taxes on top of a hike in assessments then decreased taxes the following 3 years giving them a positive campaign message to we voters. Hopefully we are lemmings no more.

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bd

8:50 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

How about Kevin Fischer and George Pry's reasoning on their votes in favor of adding another groundskeeper at a high salary plus benefits? They claim that their votes in favor of this doesn't actually spend the money. Then why even have the vote at this time? How stupid. They agree to add a position without justification from Administration for need and then claim that the position won't be added. Huh? No wonder our school district has mediocre results. We have board members who do not understand what their votes mean.

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Tom Barchfeld

10:14 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Pry's reasonsong is convoluted. You added a position and the salary, and there is no spending added to the budget? What world does he live in?

Idk

5:06 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

19 k for a grounds keeper ? Haha. You people think the superintendent ( educated person with a turf or horticulture degree ) at heinz field or pnc park, field club, nevillewood, southpointe, south hills cc, ect... Pitt campus, penn state, duquesne make 19 k ? The seasonal drunk / junkie that cuts grass every summer for "joes lawn service" makes 19 k. You hire the right educated guy ( or gal ) money will be saved in the long run !

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9:19 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

A School District is way different from Heinz Field, PNC Park, Nevillewood, South Pointe, They hire a new grounds keeper and then in the next year or two he/she is going to be complaining about how much work they have to do on there own and that they need someone to help them.

Put the money into educating our children as they have cut so much out of the budget and our school keeps on falling down hill. When will this stop and our children will get the best education they deserve.

Tom Barchfeld

9:34 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

They already have 2 geniuses hired your way that already can not do the job.

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Grim Reaper

1:39 pm on Sunday, May 5, 2013

Depends on who gets the job and their relationship to any board member. I.m not sure but by hiring a person under a particular title allows management to circumvent union rule and people already on the job with seniority. Just food for thought.

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